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The royal family

PR Disasters….Part 8

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AtIusvue · 15/04/2026 09:57

PR Disasters of the The Duke and Duchess of Sussex continued :

  • So far we have Meg using charity events/sick children/vulnerable adults to merch her fashion, with the launch of her new fashion platform
  • She will be appearing on MasterChef Australia
  • Harry claiming to have had therapy when Archie was born, even though he never sought MH help for his ill wife a few short months earlier.
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canklesmctacotits · 18/04/2026 00:28

HeddaGarbled · 17/04/2026 23:12

I honestly don’t think Charles needs to do anything. I read, either on one of the threads on here, or on Tattle, that the palace is relaxed about all this: H&M aren’t working royals and they understand that they need to make a living.

There was a time when H&M were a much bigger problem for the royal family, but their star has fallen so far, they’re largely irrelevant. Archewell’s finished, all their lucrative contracts lost, the business has bombed, they’re widely ridiculed. They’re scrabbling about for one-off paid appearances at mediocre events.

It’s easy to get sucked into getting outraged about every single thing they do and say, and demand SOMETHING MUST BE DONE. I think the royal family is wise to leave them be (plus they’ve got much more serious threats to worry about).

I agree with this. I don't think anything much needs to be done, other than for the website to be updated to change anything about H&M being replaced with a reference to Charles's second son who has chosen to live an independent life outside of the UK "with his wife and two children". I do think it's nonsense that Archie and Lilibet are a prince and princess of a country they've (effectively) never been to and won't live in as minors (MM will see to that), but whatevs. I think a monarchy is ridiculous to begin with so can't get too excited about it.

Lunde · 18/04/2026 01:06

Indianrollerbird · 17/04/2026 18:32

@MissFenellaPrism @Starryfifty @Noodledog yes, all the narrative about Catherine being "Cruella" also feels like projection from someone who truly is a spiteful, nasty piece of work.

In all the videos and pictures of Harry with Catherine, she's showing nothing but kindness and sisterly attention to him. She could have easily demanded that he be excluded from the Royal Foundation initiatives, and that it be run on behalf of the future king and queen only, but she didn't. They let him third wheel for years.

I always think of that picture of a stroppy, red faced Harry with his armed cross looking like he's having a toddler tantrum at a sporting event, and Catherine clearly trying to cajole him.

I always thought that William was parentified from a young age to take care of/be responsible for Harry at school and at home. I think it suited both Charles and Diana when their marriage was in trouble to have William plus nannies/staff care for the boys and then pack them off to boarding school aged 8 while they pursued their own interests. Especially after Diana died it seems the expectations for William to "look after" Harry only increased.

William and Catherine seemed happy to include Harry, and yet Harry never seems to have fully launched as an adult on his own. Despite being in his 20s, Harry seems to have been very resentful of William having a girlfriend, spending time with Catherine, the Middletons and opting to live a very quiet life in Norfolk and away from London when George and Charlotte were very young. From what he wrote in "Spare" Harry reacted like a jealous toddler with his "what about meeeeeeee" attitude.

It's a shame that Harry didn't consult with William's therapist as Harry is not really a great advert for the 30 years he has spent in therapy.

jeffgoldblum · 18/04/2026 01:11

Lunde · 18/04/2026 01:06

I always thought that William was parentified from a young age to take care of/be responsible for Harry at school and at home. I think it suited both Charles and Diana when their marriage was in trouble to have William plus nannies/staff care for the boys and then pack them off to boarding school aged 8 while they pursued their own interests. Especially after Diana died it seems the expectations for William to "look after" Harry only increased.

William and Catherine seemed happy to include Harry, and yet Harry never seems to have fully launched as an adult on his own. Despite being in his 20s, Harry seems to have been very resentful of William having a girlfriend, spending time with Catherine, the Middletons and opting to live a very quiet life in Norfolk and away from London when George and Charlotte were very young. From what he wrote in "Spare" Harry reacted like a jealous toddler with his "what about meeeeeeee" attitude.

It's a shame that Harry didn't consult with William's therapist as Harry is not really a great advert for the 30 years he has spent in therapy.

👏

whattheflipz · 18/04/2026 01:30

I'm definitely team take the titles away from them might have a bit more respect for them. (Might!)
Whatever they do to make money is then not behind a royal title

whattheflipz · 18/04/2026 01:31

Yes they definitely keep him in the fold early on and that was evident in what we saw. Shame he went and screwed up any chance of a relationship with them now.

MarmaladeorJam · 18/04/2026 01:39

whattheflipz · 18/04/2026 01:30

I'm definitely team take the titles away from them might have a bit more respect for them. (Might!)
Whatever they do to make money is then not behind a royal title

If they take the titles away they set a very dangerous precedent for themselves in the future.

AMW still has his titles, he has simply agreed to stop using them.

After all, if we can de-prince a prince, what is to stop us de-kinging a king?

(Poor English there but hopefully you know what I mean!)

Lifestooshort71 · 18/04/2026 06:49

I agree that nothing should be done by BP. People will always be interested in H&M as they have crossed the line and become celebrities (with or without titles). They need to earn a lot of money and neither of them appear to have any talents to do this so selling themselves seems a plan. Best to ignore and let them crack on.

Recklessismymiddlename · 18/04/2026 06:52

Mylovelygreendress · 17/04/2026 15:15

But did Harry not say he hated being a working Royal ?
And being in the RF drove Meghan to thoughts of self harm ?

Well they clearly lied. In it for self promotion the pair of them.

Recklessismymiddlename · 18/04/2026 07:10

If they want a title, then they can keep Earl and Countess of Dumbarton. No disrespect to Dumbarton, but it will piss the pair off.

I feel I’m missing something with the W&C being complicit, as I’ve no idea what posters are referring to.

Id do wonder, at times, whether the Greek PR poster, was actually working for Meredith, as I think the poster disappeared at a similar time as Meredith leaving.

Thedom · 18/04/2026 07:30

d do wonder, at times, whether the Greek PR poster, was actually working for Meredith, as I think the poster disappeared at a similar time as Meredith leaving.

I wonder that too, she was adamant there was a thaw coming and behind the scenes both teams working to get Harry back into the fold, and then a few weeks later there was the leaked photos of the meeting on the balcony.

She did have some good insights into the PR world,

LazyCatLtd · 18/04/2026 07:51

Lunde · 18/04/2026 01:06

I always thought that William was parentified from a young age to take care of/be responsible for Harry at school and at home. I think it suited both Charles and Diana when their marriage was in trouble to have William plus nannies/staff care for the boys and then pack them off to boarding school aged 8 while they pursued their own interests. Especially after Diana died it seems the expectations for William to "look after" Harry only increased.

William and Catherine seemed happy to include Harry, and yet Harry never seems to have fully launched as an adult on his own. Despite being in his 20s, Harry seems to have been very resentful of William having a girlfriend, spending time with Catherine, the Middletons and opting to live a very quiet life in Norfolk and away from London when George and Charlotte were very young. From what he wrote in "Spare" Harry reacted like a jealous toddler with his "what about meeeeeeee" attitude.

It's a shame that Harry didn't consult with William's therapist as Harry is not really a great advert for the 30 years he has spent in therapy.

I watched an episode of that awful channel 5 programme on lip reading the Royals. There is a scene where William is on a ski lift with Charles and Harry and they are being filmed by reporters. Harry is moaning about how cold he is . He’s wearing a baseball cap and they are wearing hats. Charles is dissing Harry in a really petulant way to William. ‘Why can’t he wear a hat like everyone else? He’s an arsehole’. Or words to that effect. Harry is sitting right there and C is talking about him as though he’s a huge irritation that he doesn’t want to have to deal with. William answers in a kind but weary way asking if they have a spare hat. The exchange somehow gives an insight into the dynamic. Harry the black sheep who no one wants to be bothered with. It’s William’s problem to deal with and his father doesn’t want to know.

LazyCatLtd · 18/04/2026 07:52

Thedom · 18/04/2026 07:30

d do wonder, at times, whether the Greek PR poster, was actually working for Meredith, as I think the poster disappeared at a similar time as Meredith leaving.

I wonder that too, she was adamant there was a thaw coming and behind the scenes both teams working to get Harry back into the fold, and then a few weeks later there was the leaked photos of the meeting on the balcony.

She did have some good insights into the PR world,

Edited

It’s a shame she disappeared. She was very interesting.

Crumpledelist678 · 18/04/2026 07:55

MarmaladeorJam · 18/04/2026 01:39

If they take the titles away they set a very dangerous precedent for themselves in the future.

AMW still has his titles, he has simply agreed to stop using them.

After all, if we can de-prince a prince, what is to stop us de-kinging a king?

(Poor English there but hopefully you know what I mean!)

Absolutely this! Taking Harry’s title away could be viewed as rather too close to the bone as it were from the perspective of the RF! As a Republican of course, I see it as morally wrong that a person should be viewed differently by others, or given a higher status, thanks to an ancient right of birth, so I think they should all have their titles taken away! So every time a title is removed, Republicans will be happy.

It’s interesting in that RE DM article - thank you for archived link Puzzledandpissedoff - when she says,

A source involved in those highly tense negotiations six years ago once told me that the ‘focus’ of the talks, as far as the Palace was concerned, was not on the issue of security or HRHs, but ‘always on Harry and Meghan’s status as working royals and protecting all those concerned’, as well as ‘preserving the commercial-free nature of the institution’.

Now again, as a Republican, looking at that last sentence, I can’t in all honesty see a huge difference in what H&M are doing and what the Royals do, except that Meghan is being more blatant about it. In fact, if you like that sort of thing, she has played a blinder!

The Royals outwardly go and do charitable works for no money or material gain. But is that really true overall?

For example, while it could be said that Sophie and Edward do the grunt end of charitable works in royal terms, apparently for little personal reward, it’s not as if they aren’t rewarded handsomely for it in a myriad of other ways is it? And that goes for all of them.

For a start Edward and Sophie enjoy huge perks eg living in a £30 million pound house for a peppercorn rent, and somehow manage to maintain the upkeep on a property with fifty-one rooms and one hundred and twenty acres of land on a “modest stipend”? How so?

(H&M incidentally come in for a lot of criticism for their expensive Montecito lifestyle but Sophie and Edward’s lifestyle is lavish given that their public roles are considerably less demanding than your average NHS GP who also works for the nation, but considerably harder.)

The secretarial office and chauffeur for the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh are primarily funded by the Sovereign Grant, which is public money provided by HM Treasury to support the official duties of working members of the Royal Family. These expenses are part of the operating costs of the Royal Household.

The Sovereign Grant, is funded by the profits of the Crown Estate (a diverse £16 billion portfolio of land and marine assets, technically owned by the Crown but managed independently for the nation. It includes nearly the entire UK seabed, significant coastal areas, 200,000+ acres of rural land, and prestigious London commercial properties which in the eyes of a Republican are public assets).

To focus on clothes, as everyone is obsessed with Meghan flogging clothing off the back of her Australian tour, Sophie, as I understand it, funds her wardrobe for official engagements through a clothing allowance provided by the King, funded via the Sovereign Grant and private income from the Duchy of Lancaster. The latter in effect takes money from the ordinary man in the street, because it rents land to public institutions such as the army and the NHS, and makes revenue from wind farms on our coastline. And yet Charles pays no commercial tax on the Duchies, so the public lose out again.

And yet the nature of the work of the RF is couched by Rebecca English as being “commercial free” by nature. But is it really?

S & E’s daughter, Lady Louise, gets to enjoy an expensive hobby such as carriage driving, keeping her horses at Windsor castle and she practices driving around Windsor Great Park and within the grounds of Sandringham and then competes in competitions at both of those locations.

Obviously there is a difference between Royal Patronage and working visits, but generally speaking, when Royals attend certain events on behalf of a charity, the charity itself has to meet some of the expenses.

When working on behalf of the Crown, royal charity visits are generally funded by the Sovereign Grant or taxpayer funds. However, charities often cover local logistical costs of hosting certain events, such as catering, decorations, and specialized security, and they may be charged rent for using Crown-owned properties.

While local police manage major security, specialized or extra security requirements can sometimes fall on the venue or charity, though this varies.

Investigations by Republic UK have shown that some charities (e.g., RNLI, Macmillan Cancer Support) have paid rent to Duchy estates for office space.

So of you look at all of this in broad terms:

M&H >do charity work>receive commercial benefits off the back of it

Edward Sophie> do charitable work> receive material and paid-for financial rewards off the back of it

It really is hard to tell the difference imho! Both sets of royals benefit materially and in terms of their lifestyle when carrying out charitable work, it’s only the Montecito branch who are admitting to it!

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/04/2026 08:07

Thedom · 18/04/2026 07:30

d do wonder, at times, whether the Greek PR poster, was actually working for Meredith, as I think the poster disappeared at a similar time as Meredith leaving.

I wonder that too, she was adamant there was a thaw coming and behind the scenes both teams working to get Harry back into the fold, and then a few weeks later there was the leaked photos of the meeting on the balcony.

She did have some good insights into the PR world,

Edited

She did but IIRC she disappeared once people stopped agreeing with her specifically no one here particularly agreed that there was a push from the palace to get them back into the fold. I thought that was interesting at the time. But maybe she simply name changed? I always find PR insights fascinating so it was a pity she isn't around anymore.

TheAutumnCrow · 18/04/2026 08:08

LazyCatLtd · 18/04/2026 07:52

It’s a shame she disappeared. She was very interesting.

Interesting, yes; but toward the last week or two of posting her script started to seem more like manifesting and insistence (re: the alleged ‘thaw’ plan), rather than trying to take the temperature of public opinion and subtly influence it. It ended up being not so subtle, I felt - perhaps more of a modest sledgehammer.

Just my opinion, but I think the biggest risk factor to the Sussex circus (including its expensive PR machine) hasn’t even happened yet, and will come in the form of Sentebale’s planned exposure of the (alleged) ‘Sussex Squad’ paid troll army and potentially the principals’ role in funding it and orchestrating it.

This will be a PR disaster for a couple claiming to be ‘the most trolled’ and most invaded people ever. Don't dance with the devil if you can’t keep up with his music. You’ll certainly never get ahead of it.

HoldMyWine · 18/04/2026 08:11

Crumpledelist678 · 18/04/2026 07:55

Absolutely this! Taking Harry’s title away could be viewed as rather too close to the bone as it were from the perspective of the RF! As a Republican of course, I see it as morally wrong that a person should be viewed differently by others, or given a higher status, thanks to an ancient right of birth, so I think they should all have their titles taken away! So every time a title is removed, Republicans will be happy.

It’s interesting in that RE DM article - thank you for archived link Puzzledandpissedoff - when she says,

A source involved in those highly tense negotiations six years ago once told me that the ‘focus’ of the talks, as far as the Palace was concerned, was not on the issue of security or HRHs, but ‘always on Harry and Meghan’s status as working royals and protecting all those concerned’, as well as ‘preserving the commercial-free nature of the institution’.

Now again, as a Republican, looking at that last sentence, I can’t in all honesty see a huge difference in what H&M are doing and what the Royals do, except that Meghan is being more blatant about it. In fact, if you like that sort of thing, she has played a blinder!

The Royals outwardly go and do charitable works for no money or material gain. But is that really true overall?

For example, while it could be said that Sophie and Edward do the grunt end of charitable works in royal terms, apparently for little personal reward, it’s not as if they aren’t rewarded handsomely for it in a myriad of other ways is it? And that goes for all of them.

For a start Edward and Sophie enjoy huge perks eg living in a £30 million pound house for a peppercorn rent, and somehow manage to maintain the upkeep on a property with fifty-one rooms and one hundred and twenty acres of land on a “modest stipend”? How so?

(H&M incidentally come in for a lot of criticism for their expensive Montecito lifestyle but Sophie and Edward’s lifestyle is lavish given that their public roles are considerably less demanding than your average NHS GP who also works for the nation, but considerably harder.)

The secretarial office and chauffeur for the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh are primarily funded by the Sovereign Grant, which is public money provided by HM Treasury to support the official duties of working members of the Royal Family. These expenses are part of the operating costs of the Royal Household.

The Sovereign Grant, is funded by the profits of the Crown Estate (a diverse £16 billion portfolio of land and marine assets, technically owned by the Crown but managed independently for the nation. It includes nearly the entire UK seabed, significant coastal areas, 200,000+ acres of rural land, and prestigious London commercial properties which in the eyes of a Republican are public assets).

To focus on clothes, as everyone is obsessed with Meghan flogging clothing off the back of her Australian tour, Sophie, as I understand it, funds her wardrobe for official engagements through a clothing allowance provided by the King, funded via the Sovereign Grant and private income from the Duchy of Lancaster. The latter in effect takes money from the ordinary man in the street, because it rents land to public institutions such as the army and the NHS, and makes revenue from wind farms on our coastline. And yet Charles pays no commercial tax on the Duchies, so the public lose out again.

And yet the nature of the work of the RF is couched by Rebecca English as being “commercial free” by nature. But is it really?

S & E’s daughter, Lady Louise, gets to enjoy an expensive hobby such as carriage driving, keeping her horses at Windsor castle and she practices driving around Windsor Great Park and within the grounds of Sandringham and then competes in competitions at both of those locations.

Obviously there is a difference between Royal Patronage and working visits, but generally speaking, when Royals attend certain events on behalf of a charity, the charity itself has to meet some of the expenses.

When working on behalf of the Crown, royal charity visits are generally funded by the Sovereign Grant or taxpayer funds. However, charities often cover local logistical costs of hosting certain events, such as catering, decorations, and specialized security, and they may be charged rent for using Crown-owned properties.

While local police manage major security, specialized or extra security requirements can sometimes fall on the venue or charity, though this varies.

Investigations by Republic UK have shown that some charities (e.g., RNLI, Macmillan Cancer Support) have paid rent to Duchy estates for office space.

So of you look at all of this in broad terms:

M&H >do charity work>receive commercial benefits off the back of it

Edward Sophie> do charitable work> receive material and paid-for financial rewards off the back of it

It really is hard to tell the difference imho! Both sets of royals benefit materially and in terms of their lifestyle when carrying out charitable work, it’s only the Montecito branch who are admitting to it!

There’s a whole world of difference. The working royals are paid from the public purse to essentially represent us. When they are undertaking visits, giving our rewards it’s essentially on behalf of the UK to recognise and thank people for their hard work or to highlight the good work that is being done. For doing so they are paid from the public purse. They then may have their separate financial interests but they don’t benefit from the work they do, ie the King doesn’t do a visit and then put links to his jam on instagram.
H&M are only acting for themselves, they don’t represent anyone, apart from Harry when he visits on behalf of Invictus. The only reward they want is a large financial one. They want fame, adulation and money. They are using people to get that, and vulnerable at that. It’s sickening.

DirtyGertyy · 18/04/2026 08:11

How have the Australian tax paid public services been hoodwinked into these events? How and why would the first responders turn up to meet slebs on the beach ? What do they get out of it for their cause. Same with the hospital use or children. Scarce healthcare and emergency services resources - personnel, time, logistics were prioritised for these events - why? What was the return on investment and who and why were they authorised? I don’t believe any donations have been made by H&M so why did these public funded organisations choose to do this with scarce resources? The charities can do what they want as the exposure will draw donors and these activities can be seen as legit part of their PR / fund raising - but use of tax funded public services resources to platform MM to sell sunglasses?

Thedom · 18/04/2026 08:12

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/04/2026 08:07

She did but IIRC she disappeared once people stopped agreeing with her specifically no one here particularly agreed that there was a push from the palace to get them back into the fold. I thought that was interesting at the time. But maybe she simply name changed? I always find PR insights fascinating so it was a pity she isn't around anymore.

Was that it ? she did end up being proved right though when she said she believed there was an ongoing effort between the comms team to sort things out, she was being vague, but in hindsight I think she did have some insider info.

i would love her perspective on this current years barrage of Markle PR.

LazyCatLtd · 18/04/2026 08:14

Where’s Serenster also?

TheAutumnCrow · 18/04/2026 08:22

LazyCatLtd · 18/04/2026 08:14

Where’s Serenster also?

Still around, off and on.

Thedom · 18/04/2026 08:23

DirtyGertyy · 18/04/2026 08:11

How have the Australian tax paid public services been hoodwinked into these events? How and why would the first responders turn up to meet slebs on the beach ? What do they get out of it for their cause. Same with the hospital use or children. Scarce healthcare and emergency services resources - personnel, time, logistics were prioritised for these events - why? What was the return on investment and who and why were they authorised? I don’t believe any donations have been made by H&M so why did these public funded organisations choose to do this with scarce resources? The charities can do what they want as the exposure will draw donors and these activities can be seen as legit part of their PR / fund raising - but use of tax funded public services resources to platform MM to sell sunglasses?

Edited

I know, it’s crazy !

The tax payer security was one massive waste of public funds, as there was no one interested in them whatsoever, not even celeb chasers.

At some point, soon hopefully, it will be realized they are celebs who can go about their business like most celebs, just bringing along their own personal security,

MissFenellaPrism · 18/04/2026 08:25

LazyCatLtd · 18/04/2026 07:51

I watched an episode of that awful channel 5 programme on lip reading the Royals. There is a scene where William is on a ski lift with Charles and Harry and they are being filmed by reporters. Harry is moaning about how cold he is . He’s wearing a baseball cap and they are wearing hats. Charles is dissing Harry in a really petulant way to William. ‘Why can’t he wear a hat like everyone else? He’s an arsehole’. Or words to that effect. Harry is sitting right there and C is talking about him as though he’s a huge irritation that he doesn’t want to have to deal with. William answers in a kind but weary way asking if they have a spare hat. The exchange somehow gives an insight into the dynamic. Harry the black sheep who no one wants to be bothered with. It’s William’s problem to deal with and his father doesn’t want to know.

Oh ffs. One purported exchange on a ski lift and from that you deduce an entire relationship?
"My Dad got irritated with me on a skiing holiday. I'm the most unfortunate person in the world".

TheAutumnCrow · 18/04/2026 08:29

Thedom · 18/04/2026 08:12

Was that it ? she did end up being proved right though when she said she believed there was an ongoing effort between the comms team to sort things out, she was being vague, but in hindsight I think she did have some insider info.

i would love her perspective on this current years barrage of Markle PR.

I don’t think she was actually proved right in any positive sense! I think things are even worse now between H and the Royal Family, tbh.

Perhaps H was pushing, but the door didn’t open more than a crack to see what he wanted. H made his demands and William shouted from the sitting room, ‘ffs will someone shut that bloody door in his face? Thank you.’

All that’s happened is that H is more unpopular than ever (see polls), and Charles looks a bit feeble. It was a shockingly terrible plan, whoever came up with it.

ETA: I’m not disagreeing with you, @Thedom, just musing, really.

JSMill · 18/04/2026 08:32

They want fame, adulation and money
I find H and M doing these quasi tours off their own back cringeworthy. When the royals do engagements or undertake tours, they are doing them because they are representing the institution and they have been asked to do so. H and M are knocking on people’s doors and saying ‘hey can we come visit and take some photos’ because they love being in the spotlight’. They love the cheers and the cameras. Would they consider this trip a success? They didn’t get booed but some photos I saw at Sydney opera house yesterday suggested not many members of the public were turning up. Of course they so tightly controlled the media, no one can tell how well received they were.

Thedom · 18/04/2026 08:34

TheAutumnCrow · 18/04/2026 08:29

I don’t think she was actually proved right in any positive sense! I think things are even worse now between H and the Royal Family, tbh.

Perhaps H was pushing, but the door didn’t open more than a crack to see what he wanted. H made his demands and William shouted from the sitting room, ‘ffs will someone shut that bloody door in his face? Thank you.’

All that’s happened is that H is more unpopular than ever (see polls), and Charles looks a bit feeble. It was a shockingly terrible plan, whoever came up with it.

ETA: I’m not disagreeing with you, @Thedom, just musing, really.

Edited

I absolulty agree, but I do think at the time she had some insider info on what was going on, we now know it didn’t work out, but I think she was aware of the moves and discussions going on behind the scenes before that meeting was leaked.

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