Should Beatrice and Eugenie voluntarily give up their titles if they want any public respect ever again?

[Sweetiedarling7]

Just that really.
I think the only possible way forward for them is to choose to give up the princess thing, make a brief public statement in support of victims and to end their middle east business jaunts.

Yes, I thought that too. Surely you'd just say that your daughter had gone away for the weekend with her boyfriend. But then SF always was a crass and vulgar woman.

So again women having to ‘suffer’ (for want of a better expression) because of a man.

I think they should all give up their titles. I used to be vaguely on the “don’t really care, guess it’s good for tourism” side of the equation, but due at least in part to all of this I’m now firmly in the republican camp.

Knowingly going to visit a convicted sex trafficker after his release from prison and according to said person's emails from the files "celebrate his release".

I also haven't read nor spent any money on the book, btw. Everything I know has come straight from the Epstein files. And if he was lying (and frankly I can't see what reason he would have for doing so) then the palace have been unusually slow to dispute it.

When my father was dying he was living with me and one night he told one of my sons he had forced women to have sex with him when he was younger and joked that "I suppose they'd call it rape now." I always knew he was a bit of a perv but had no idea he was that bad. I immediately changed my surname by deed poll and although I had to grin and bear his presence until he died, I dissociated him in my mind. Luckily he died during COVID and I didn't have to arrange a funeral. Ever since I found out I only ever referred to him by his first name. I would be mortified if I was considered to be as bad as him in the eyes of others. So no, the princesses should not be vilified because of their father's behaviour.

In this way, being taken in their late teens, by their parents, to visit a convicted sex offender does make them potentially victims. Young impressionable women often don't call out problematic behaviours. It's all grooming really.
Having said that, they are older and wiser now.
If they don't cut ties with AMW and publicly acknowledge the victims they are not suitable as royal role models.

I don’t think you’ve read the post I was responding to? The poster was saying because B and E didn’t come out and say they weren’t at Pizza Express in 2001, that they were complicit in the lie that Andrew took them there. They were children in 2001. Can you remember whether you went to Macdonalds on a specific day in 2001? See how silly it sounds?

Genuinely, did anyone think they were suitable role models even before all this? I don't mean that as a dig, but they'd done nothing of any particular note. Neither have most people of course, but that's my point really.

I agree it's in some ways a form of grooming. Into compliance, normalisation.

They both spend a lot of time in the Middle East, reportedly receiving large sums of money and expensive jewelry there.
Other Royals also enrich themselves. It’s the greed I find offensive, monetizing their royal status.

How long ago was it,? Would they even remember.

Which man exactly? Andrew? No, I personally don't hold them responsible for his actions in any way whatsoever. Jeffrey Epstein? Same. Going to visit Jeffery Epstein on release from prison? Yeah, that's all on them.

How can they speak up? How will they remember whether they went to Pizza Express with him on a specific day in 2001? Yes, it has already been proven to be a lie, so how would them saying they didn’t go even help (even if they could remember) ? Or is it just a case of sadistically wanting to see them squirm and suffer, like some sort of bear pit mentality?

No, I don't think they were ever suitable role models. But that's what the RF aims for isn't it?
The monarchy is a mess and I don't think it has a place or serves a good enough purpose any more. But some of them are still reasonable role models and doing their jobs ok.

LOL at royal role models. A bit like altruistic billionaires. Or great MAGA.

I don't get why they get to have subsidised apartments in royal buildings, in central London, when they are not working royals.

I'm not saying I think any of them are good role models. But I think that's partly the aim of their 'jobs'. So I was saying that I agree they should give up their titles because they aren't even doing the 'job' properly. Not because I think they are responsible for their father's behaviour because they are not, and he will have essentially groomed them.

I couldn't give a toss about titles and doubt they do but I wasn't aware they had lost any respect. As far as I know, they've done nothing wrong.

You could care less? So you do care a bit then... 😁

I used to feel sorry for Eugiene and Beatrice. Then I read Andrew Lownie's book (I'm not trying to promote it by the way!). I have zero sympathy for them now.

Interesting that Sarah Ferguson is at a wellness clinic. Who the hell is funding that? I think if anyone should be at a wellbeing clinic it should be the victims.

www.lbc.co.uk/article/sarah-ferguson-swellness-clinic-epstein-scandal-5HjdSf6_2/

That's a very valid point

@Livelovebehappy . He took Beatrice to pizza express and she was nearly 13 years old! (Born in 1988) Of course she would remember when members of the royal family don’t make a habit of going to pizza express lol.

royal family don’t make a habit of going to pizza express.

True but you can't move for them at the Hut. I was forever bumping into the late Queen by the salad bar and once had a stand up row with Prince Edward when he used all the sprinkles at the ice cream station. Bastard.

I have read that she is in Switzerland with Paddy Macanally. A very wealthy man she lived with before Andrew I believe. She is like a fucking limpet with rich men.

The narrative spun by Epstein was that he was innocent and he was part of an attempt to besmirch his name because of his ties with <insert powerful person>.

It was an entirely plausible reasoning. If they had so much on him, why did they give him the sweet, sweet, deal that he got? A couple of years where all he had to do was sleep in a prison cell at night? They wouldn’t do that to someone who had supposedly been running a paedophile ring from his home. Right? Right? I can see how people who had been in his circle and hadn’t actually seen what was going on might fall for that. People get stitched up all the time. Half the US public think Trump hasn’t actually broken the law. It’s an easy narrative to believe.

I don’t understand why giving up a title, which now has no link to their father is seen as a good thing to do. The title is Royal, part of the monarchy. Andrew has been stripped of his in an attempt to cleanse the monarchy of any ties to him. I’m sure if they did choose to give up their titles, half the people on here would have said they were doing it in solidarity with him. “If he isn’t allowed to be Royal, we don’t want to be”

No matter what they do, they will be judged.

She is very much a money grabber..