Should Beatrice and Eugenie voluntarily give up their titles if they want any public respect ever again?

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Just that really.
I think the only possible way forward for them is to choose to give up the princess thing, make a brief public statement in support of victims and to end their middle east business jaunts.

Correct answer!

Why have they even got titles? It seems ridiculous. Anne didn’t bother with hers.

Why complicit? They were children when he allegedly took them to Pizza Express. Most children probably can’t even recall what they had for tea yesterday, so are hardly going to remember if their father took them to Pizza Xpress in 2001 when they were children. Stop being an idiot fgs….

If they have any sense they will just fade into the background. Both married well and appear financially secure.
If they denounced their titles,there would be a cry of no smoke without fire

I don't care if they have a title. but these women (they are not girls) should just go off and live their life away from the RF, they are not "working" royals. so should just stay away. we don't need to see them.

No I'm not. I think it is disgusting that high number of really revolting men are getting away with it. Meanwhile people on mumsnet are going for two young women who haven't sexually assaulted anyone. Why go for the women? Why not the men who were the actual perpetrators? That is what I mean about getting some perspective that is not monitoring the thread. That is simply commenting.

They have supported and stood by him. They knew there was contact after Epstein got out of prison. They are a very close family and seem to be following in their parents footsteps with all the business dealings in Dubai. So yes, they should give up their tiles in my opinion. They only use their titles for financial gain as far as I can see.

This is the Royal board so posters are discussing the Royals. The vast majority of discussion on this board around this issue is about Andrew, rightfully, because he is the worst one. However, there is also rightfully discussion about the rest of the Royals and what their involvement and knowledge was, including Beatrice and Eugenie. If most threads were targeting B and E, you would have a point, but they’re not, so you don’t.

Whether they supported and have stood by him depends on what newsfeed you’re on. I’ve read that they’re mortified and have distanced themselves from him. But the media is what it is - we will be fed numerous items of hearsay, whether they’re true or not. Unless we work alongside them minding their diaries, we wont know will we.

This book is some of the worst drivel I have ever read. Obsessing over every single, mundane amount for everything, it was like reading a spreadsheet. It wasn’t shocking, grifters will grift. A book about entitlement, written by a man who went to Fettes College who has millions himself, and is openly for the abolition of the monarchy, is hardly objective. I recall he wrote a substack about Prince William then had to delete it when he discovered his “source” was bullshit so I do have some doubts about his motives.

Whether or not B&E are grifters to the same level will no doubt come out in time. At this point, they appear to have supported their father. Many other children would have done the same. He is their father, it is really difficult to turn your back on that no matter how toxic he is. What they can and can’t say in public is very strictly controlled. We don’t know, and probably never will, what their thoughts are on the matter. They joined the Royal Family for Christmas, rather than their father and mother. That is an action that speaks volumes. Maybe they aren’t 100% on his side.

In any event, to blame them in any way for the actions of their father is wrong on so many levels.

Agree. Strikes me as much better PR advice than the OPs.

I don't mind in principle the concept of stricter behavioural standards for royal titles, ie bar for losing your title being lower than being balls deep in a sex trafficking ring. But if we're having that then it should apply across the board, not merely to the women who happened to be born to the nonce and the enabler. They should all face equal levels of assessment and scrutiny. Which probably isn't practical.

I don't have any respect or attachment to the institution though, so perhaps that affects my thinking. The only reason I don't call myself a republican is the amount of pissing around it would take to sort anything else out.

It was Eugenie and she did a brave thing, revealing her scar in her wedding dress.

Please leave these young women alone - they cannot be responsible for anything their parents may have done.

So funny to see the author of a book about the House of York.. attacked. Very predictable. And where he went to school is hardly relevant. And I have heard him on record not wanting the Monarchy abolished.

The author spent I think it was five years with careful research and ran it all past lawyers. He spent a lot of money trying to access records. He spoke to over 3,000 people of which about 300 were happy to be quoted and all their names are in the front of the book.
But call the book 'drivel' so funny 😂

They weren't children when they went to New York with their mother to visit Epstein days after he was released from prison.

What's your excuse for them then?

@Livelovebehappy I don’t think it’s irrelevant at all! He lied and used his daughters as an alibi. Maybe they had no choice but to remain silent. Now it’s escalated and they are being targeted by association so it may go in their favor to speak up!

I thought this as well, how utterly vile.

Fergie was most likely trying to suck up to Epstein by speaking his language with crude jokes. About her own daughter though ..... Fucking grim.

they are 35 and 37, so not "young"

No. God almighty, just leave them alone. This mob mentality is awful. You'll be getting out the pitchforks next.

It was revolting wasn't it? I look back with fondness to the days when I merely thought she was a shameless grifting tit.

Why should they be blamed for the sins of the father. They didn't abuse anyone.

Both of them are involved in charities and do a lot of good work.

They do support the King and William by attending events and garden parties etc.

If they believed what their parents said and most people do, they were used by them, not willing participants in visits etc.

As far as I am aware, and in all honesty I have not avidly followed the nitty gritty of the case, so feel free to correct me, but they haven't actually done anything themselves, other than been taken by their mother to visit a family friend, who admittedly turned out to be a monster of a man, but why should these two girls be held accountable for this? We don't know what they were told, if they knew they were meeting him or why, post allegations.

They were granted their titles by right of birth, why does their parents actions change this?

Discovering your fathers alleged illegal activities has to be pretty traumatic for them, that is a pretty difficult situation to handle particularly when its front and centre in the press every day.

If they are found responsible for their own ill doings, then I may change my stance but at the moment, leave them be.

It’s a desperate attempt to discredit the book.

On a recent tv programme Lownie was on, he was saying he’s confident the monarchy can recover as long as they make changes. I think he just wants the monarchy to be used for good and for more transparency.

Don't hate the players hate the game. The world is full of people having a lovely life off the back of inherited money and connections. You only need to look at all the toffs who bagsy well paid interesting jobs in media and arts or those with"breeding" who get lucrative jobs in commerce legal and financial fields. Money makes money and links to powerful people opens doors.

The lower minions of the RF like Beatrice and Eugenie are in a worse position than those with the wealth and power but without the same profile as they come under more scrutiny. Doesn't make them behave any better sadly.

Yes, that's why some of us respect none of them, even before Epstein came out. I didn't respect B and E before, I don't respect them now.

I think it was Janice Turner who said that she ( and other women) knew they were too old for Epstein so would titillate him with talk of their teenage children having sex. Disgusting using his known proclivities to ingratiate themselves knowing their own children would be safe but other children wouldn't be.