Should Beatrice and Eugenie voluntarily give up their titles if they want any public respect ever again?

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Just that really.
I think the only possible way forward for them is to choose to give up the princess thing, make a brief public statement in support of victims and to end their middle east business jaunts.

Beatrice and Eugenie are born royals, they don't need to "cling on" to anything.

More pure speculation.
Proof?

Plenty of arts grads move into all forms of businesses.

Did Wayne Rooney do it without contacts?

Some of you are unbelievable. Leave these people alone!! Leave the Princesses alone!! I know jealousy and hatred of the RF is a big part of being British for some of you all but please find a better use of your time than witchcraft. It’s exactly what this is.

Yes, a 'thread running through the press'. Exactly. Based on the press desire for a good story. Do you honestly believe what's written in the press and sitcoms?? Hahaha, talk about dim!

When you operate in those sort of circles yes, 'employment' in certain types of roles is a more flexible concept, and not just for the royals. So no, they tend not to be putting in a shift at the local McDonald's if that's what you mean?

I i have no idea, my point is that contacts help
Even with the best contacts in the world David Beckhams didnt hsve enough talent

Re Zara, both things are true.

She's in a sport that isn't a remotely level playing field and and requires much more privilege to access than a lot of others. This would be just as true if no royal had ever gone anywhere near it.

She also couldn't have been as successful as she is if she weren't hard working and talented. And being the child of two Olympians, she was always disproportionately likely to have the genes for it!

I live, work and pay tax in the UK. The whole RF is funded by state assets. That means the British public have the right to call out their terrible behaviour.
Doesn't matter if it's going on >20 holidays in a year, keeping in touch with convicted sex traffickers, or making 'shows of support' for men accussed of sex crimes. We can judge and criticise all we like. It isn't treason and we won't be 'losing our heads' - thankfully those days are gone.

This is a terrible example. She grew up on an estate her parents were given as wedding present from the queen to which her parents opened a professional competition yard on. My DD works at a professional competition yard, it's insane amounts of money to have your own eventer and to be able to do it for a career.

However, Zara is talented in her sport and there is no way you could go as far as she did without it.

They were the adult ‘idiots’ being touted around by their money grabbing mother!

Hear hear.
I never come on the royal board because I am a staunch Republican, but so sick of the entire grifting, entitled bunch.

I'm normally the first to dismiss the "you're just jealous" argument, but I think there's an element of it here.

It's no moral crime to stay in someone's holiday home for free, be "a bit dim", or not work harder than you need to. We're just seeing into a social strata that's normally hidden.

As for being entitled, of course they are! They literally titled and have known it all their lives. And it's not exactly a moral crime to be "on the make", I was surrounded by people like that a my posh uni, marring well was just narutally what you aimed for (I didn't cotton on to this till too late sadly). It's not like they're stealing these things.

Go after people for the actual harm they've done, not for being born lucky. And I bet they're not feeling too lucky right now.

I feel quite sorry for them, they can’t help their parents. I think the late Queen Elizabeth II has a lot to answer for, in the case of their father. It is not down to these granddaughters.

None of this is a crime. Some of my best friends are dim! But I don't want to pay for it.

Yep, you've got me bang to rights. How I wish that my parents were friends with a sex trafficking paedophile so that I could support them as an adult in my own right.

She had opportunities , others don't, because she's a member of the royal family

Leave the princesses alone!
Oh to have the laughing symbol back!

They may have been brought up badly, but as adults they have a responsibility, just as we all do.

Would you have helped your father (who had been accused of, and paid off a woman who accused him of sex trafficking) mount a denial on TV? Would you have helped your mother write a denial of her really obviously close relationship with child sex offender Epstein? Would you keep quiet AND keep the money? I don't think I would.

They are useful idiots to keep in the royal tent though as the threat of removing their titles seems to be what is keeping Andrew and Fergie somewhat in line.

The problem is that the Royal Family bestow respectability so when they receive hospitality it is not a neutral act.

If the Royals just want to be posh rich people they can do that on their own.

I'm not pro-monarchy by the way, I was just pointing out that some of the criticisms aren't valid in my opinion

I'm normally the first to dismiss the "you're just jealous" argument, but I think there's an element of it here

The irony is, I reckon all of us would not work if we didn’t have to. And holiday in a friend’s luxury villa, eat meals at fancy restaurants and all the rest of it. Rich people live the way we would all live if we were rich, yet we like to criticise them for it and pretend they’re doing something terrible.

The last thing I am is a royalist but WHY should Andrew's kids bare any of the responsibility or public shame for the actions of their father?

They are still Princesses and the granddaughters of the queen - that doesn't change because dad's a nonce creep.

What next? Expectations of them being shunned at family gatherings and public events?

If the royals are anything like a good, loving family they should be wrapping around those girls at the moment, not shunning them.

If the Royals are anything like a good loving family they should be thinking about everything that led to this point and wondering whether they should be inflicting a toxic institution on the next generation.

And? I inherited a farm and have put effort into making it successful. Zara could have squandered the opportunity she was given but she didn’t.

DH is retiring by 58 to do just this. The difference is the tax payer is not paying for it. He earned it.