Should Beatrice and Eugenie voluntarily give up their titles if they want any public respect ever again?

[Sweetiedarling7]

Just that really.
I think the only possible way forward for them is to choose to give up the princess thing, make a brief public statement in support of victims and to end their middle east business jaunts.

In official protocol (e.g. the Court Circular) they have already given up their York association in their titles. Since their marriages, they have been styled "Her Royal Highness Princess Eugenie, Mrs Jack Brooksbank" and Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrice, Mrs Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi".

Sometimes it is hosting event companies and the media who wrongly refer to them as "of York" in publications.

Haven't seen 'you're all just jellus' trotted out for a while 😂

Nothing to do with jealousy.

Everything to do with the money sucked from public finances, lack of transparency and accountability and the simple injustices of having the next one up imposed in perpetuity and having no means of getting rid if we want or need to.

Why is everyone on MN obsessed with blaming people for the activities of other members of their family?

I think B&E are pretty easy to ignore, but the whole point of the Royal Family is that they have value because of an accident of birth. If we learn nothing else from this whole mess, we should at least understand that Andrew's only value to Epstein and others was his place in the Royal Family.

B&E have certainly been entertained by some pretty dodgy people because they are princesses. Their parents obviously lacked a moral compass and the rest of the Royal family turned a blind eye to whatever the Yorks were doing, so their behaviour should be scrutinised now.

But would she have got there if not surrounded by privilege and the best money can (and can't) buy?

Maybe? Maybe not.

No.

No....!! Haven't you seen Ghosts? There's a reason she's called Fanny...🤣🤣.

My 17yr old DD says absolutely not!!!

I do think B&E enjoyed a lot of wild perks from rich people-
Saw one year when Beatrice made £19,500 she went on 17 foreign holidays-someone totted them up to be worth approx £300,000.
They def grew up with different rules and even taking that much time off from work is crazy and entitled.

I don't care that much if they keep the Princess but I think they'd be much better off with heads down and keeping that all quiet.

I also think Andrew absolutely must be removed from the line of succession-and then B&E would also be removed as they have no claim without Andrew.

They are curious tbh. I suspect their childhood was a bit fucked up and they shouldn’t be blamed for the poor behaviour of their father. However, they have always come across as a bit dim, entitled and workshy and there seems to be some dubious activity in the Middle East. There is the the matter of having met with Epstein. They were old enough to know better at that point but honestly what parent dangles their kids in front of that sort of monster anyway (leading to the first point about most likely having a fucked up childhood).

In contrast, if you look at Lady Louise and Zara- both have had much more positive press coverage and while obviously very wealthy seem to have been raised with a different set of expectations.

That's funny. So Beatrice didn't call herself Beatrice, Princess of York. When invites were sent out.

Any excuse for them by the sounds of it

It would be a bad idea to give up their titles right now, they aren’t accused of anything yet so it would just make them look guilty. They are doing the right thing by not rocking the boat.

This 100 percent

Honestly I don't think their titles are any more useless and pointless now than they were before.

they have always come across as a bit dim, entitled and workshy

And this comment is based on what, exactly?

Have you ever bothered to research them? They both got degrees from good universities and have worked a variety of the sorts of jobs someone of their social status would normally do (auctions, the arts, charities, investment businesses etc).

Stop making up bollocks just to suit your agenda.

Give over. They’re Royalty. Parties were probably had every weekend. We’re talking 25 years ago, when they were 11. Of course they won’t remember a party at Pizza Express. And yes, what about the staff, other parents, police protection? If they remember and have something to contribute, then let them come forward. The fact that they haven’t probably indicates they can’t remember either.

They spent quite a lot of time when they were meant to be working on holiday. Their ' arts and auction house' jobs were basically at the time seem as allowing their names to go on letterheads. How do art degrees suddenly make you a tech expert running around doing speaking tours of the Middle East? They are all on the make.

He's not been charged yet, the investigations are ongoing. Of course he may never be charged but at this momement in time no statement has been made saying he was released from police custody and that this was the end of the matter. His former home at Royal Lodge is still being searched (22 Feb) and the police have been there for four days now. It is an active case

They can't remember Prince Andrew dropping his daughter off to their daughter's birthday party? Or did it not happen, do you think?

None of David Beckham’s sons are top footballers. Zara had to put in a lot of hard work to achieve what she did. She also had the advantage of having two eventing parents. It’s quite sad though that she is not given credit for her achievements on here. Pathetic

Oh come off it. I’m not making up bollocks/ there has clearly been a thread running though the press for years about them. The Windsors is obviously extreme satire but the portrayal of the sisters in that didn’t come from nothing. As I said, there will be a reason why their cousins largely have had an easier ride in the press.

There is a lot about how they have ‘normal jobs’ that’s clearly not true either. No other ‘employee’ gets the level of holiday they seem to.

Thats becsuse theu are not talented enough
Wayne Rooneys son Kai seens to be doing ok though but even with talent money and contacts help enormously
"Joe Bloggs" could for example be just as talented as Kai Rooney but he doesn't have a Dad that used to play for the Premier league who is not only loaded but has good contacts

They aren’t responsible for their parents’ behaviour.

Sarah, Beatrice and Eugenie - I only ever see the Featheringtons - desperate to cling on to the aristocracy.

Everything anyone has is generally as a result of their family you numpty!

She would have got nowhere, money or not, if she didnt have the talent

Indeed
But money and contacts still help enormously.even with talent.