Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

Let's face it, it would be one of the all-time best-sellers!

Possibly, but she does have … credibility issues.

If I'm honest , I reckon a lot , maybe not everything , but a very great deal about AMW and SF is coming out. I do think some unfortunate things about B&E are coming out. If I am honest I am not sure what more SF could say so - let her , I say.
I'm more interested in papers being released and the two of them being held properly to account, in court if necessary. It may be embarrassing to the RF , but at the moment a proposed memoir by SF I reckon is the least of their problems. I would say , "Published and be damned"
I am more concerned KC and PW support AMW having to answer questions re the Epstein enquiry and are seen to be supporting it. As with his Trade Envoy shennanigens ( my word - not a legal term 😊 )

Yes, what’s Sarah going to make worse for the royal family without shitting all over Beatrice and Eugenie?

Is she going to release the Trade Envoy papers? No, she hasn’t the authority.

Excoriate Andrew? Yeah, he’s a wrong ‘un, we know, love.

Shit on the memory of Saint Diana? Say Philip killed her? Good luck with that one.

Criticise Charles and QE2? Get in the queue, because that ship left the dock a while ago.

What’s left? Only some kind of hard proof that William and/or Harry knew all about Andrew would be any kind of new news.

Basically, I think she’s left it too late. So has Meghan, and so has Harry with Spare II. We know from writers like Andrew Lownie and the release of the Epstein Files what a morally and legally incontinent shitshow it all is. All that individual members of the royal family can do now with books and interviews is confirm their place within it. The age of the ‘HRH victim’ has ended.

Agreed.

@TheAutumnCrow

"Excoriate Andrew? Yeah, he’s a wrong ‘un, we know, love.
Shit on the memory of Saint Diana? Say Philip killed her? Good luck with that one, Criticise Charles and QE2? Get in the queue, because that ship left the dock a while ago."

Those made me properly giggle . Thank you. I do agree with you , but you put it so very well. 💐

I do agree minor / ex Royal HRH victimhood is dead in the water now. Well, I do hope so. And I hope all the more if KC and PW come out and properly support AMW having to face proper questions.

I don’t know. If SF really has absolutely nothing to lose, I’m sure she could publish some interesting details about family relationships, between the late Queen and Charles for example. Whether people would believe her is a different matter of course. But never underestimate the public’s appetite for salacious gossip.

Very true! , but something tells me we haven’t heard all of Sarah’s shenanigans with Epstein yet , if she thinks anyone will seriously take the words of someone like her seriously then she’s more foolish than I thought.

Agree - brilliant @TheAutumnCrow

She might make some money, but the most she can do is be a bit more of an irritant around the edges of the huge problem they have to deal with.

I hope KC and PW can get their act together over this @BasiliskStare. I agree with you that AMW may be more likely to be successfully prosecuted over the financial papers/misconduct in public office aspect (had also been thinking of Capone). I suspect if we get close to a prosecution that will be when a trip to the Middle East comes into play, though.

Talking of books, there is apparently a new biography of the PPoW being serialised in the Mirror. The first extract (not very well done - jumps about in time a bit) talks about PW arguing with KC about AMW - very topical.
https://archive.is/9uhDO

Interesting I will take a look !
although as usual I take any author who apparently knows the private conversations of others with a pinch of salt.

Well Lownie, in a recent episode of the Lownie Report, said that SF could potentially get seven figures for a book like this, especially if it was tied in with a major interview. and as he is a literary agent as well as a historian and author, I reckon he should know.

He did say however that SF might be restrained by the potential consequences of her actions on B and E and their relationship with the RF.

But if the daughters’ “careers” are trashed by the Epstein scandal and SF really has no money, and her options for potentially leaching off others are now limited, then she might decide to go for the big money option. She always has in the past after all!

She possibly could, but what is she going to say in it? She was one of the worst if them, the father of her children is many times worse than her and she stuck to them all like a limpet instead of making a life for herself and living within her means. If I was the RF id leave her to it. Its not the SF book id be scared of but the TE files.

Does anyone think BP and KP are resorting to their age old PR of blaming the other to keep the heat off themselves? One one side , KC didnt pay into AMW's settlement but 'other members' did ( other than TLQE and DOE so who else has the money?) and on the other side, PW was raging at his father for not doing anything about AMW? Thats not really going to help them if so. They all seem utterly at sea about what to do about this apart from what they have always done which has got them here.

Yes, I agree

It looks good for Charles, he didn't pay into the get out of jail free fund. Looks good for William, he told his father to do something, and drop Andrew. Either they are briefing against each other or it's a PR exercise designed to suit the both of them.

👏 A firm agree from me.

I think so too. She’ll go for gold because reckless + desperate for money = terrible personal decisions. But at that point I think the damage would have already been done, so also as @TheAutumnCrowsaid, let her say whatever, it’s already pretty seedy and slimey.

Topic for another thread but the Norwegian RF, through the crown princess is also kneel deep in Epstein + her son is up SA trial. Another RF having more than a wobble thanks to the Epstein files.

Great post @TheAutumnCrow👏

Interesting article in the DM . Despite being told how to archive , I am stumped ! Could someone please do the honours ? X

Great post @TheAutumnCrow proper made me laugh.

👍🏻 @Mylovelygreendress

archive link
https://mol.im/a/15558341

Interesting article, I've always thought B&E were knee deep in it and they have no intention of stepping back from schmoozing anyone and everyone in the Middle East. I'm afraid to say they are as shameless as their parents

Thank you both.

The blue blood nonsense really has to stop. If we are talking about “purity”, they are pretty much gutter. I understand that they would take a leaf out of their parents playbook especially in the ME, it’s all they’ve been brought up to do. It doesn’t excuse it, but I believe the only way they’ll stop (they may feel entitled to it like A&S), is if they are investigated especially their financial links.

The British government had better not let A jet off to Dubai or wherever we may not have an extradition treaty with. By all accounts, he should be in jail for both sets of crimes.

Thanks @IAmATorturedPoet

I agree with you !

They didnt come across well in Lownie's book, especially Beatrice. There was something about one of them (Lownie doesnt specify) only wanting "the sort of people who shop at John Lewis" at some event, wasn't there? Heaven forbid they have to slum it with the plebs!