Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

Sorry to derail but:
Feb 8 (Reuters) -
Swiss wealth giant UBS (UBSG.S), opens new tab opened accounts for Ghislaine Maxwell in 2014 just months after JPMorgan Chase decided to end its relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and helped her manage as much as $19 million in the years leading to her sex-trafficking conviction, documents show.
The documents, part of a cache released by the U.S. Justice Department last month, provide fresh insights into the extent of UBS’ banking relationship with Maxwell.

Trust funds opened by her dad the disgraced Robert Maxwell probably with the money he stole from Mirror group newspaper pensions.

So she wasn't with Epstein because she had no money if her own as has always been thought. No surprise the whole family have perjured themselves in court saying there is no money.
I hope the people who lost their life savings and pensions can go after this money.

Well no one who had committed misconduct in a public office, consorted with sex traffickers, or passed on confidential diplomatic papers to outside interests would, no!
The point is, you could 'advise' your child of whatever you like. If he was suspected of committing a crime, he would be arrested. If he was suspected of a crime in the US, he would likely be extradited.If he was a material witness to a crime, he would be issued a witness summons. If he was working for the Civil Service and had used his expenses to pay for prostitutes. skim money from charities for himself and pass state secrets to his mates he would be sacked and then prosecuted. None of this has happened to Andrew.

But is it her family lying about Maxwells money or is it her saying it is Maxwell money when actually it is trafficking Epstein money? Ill-gotten gains either way of course but still murky.

I’ve just finished reading “Power and the Palace” by Valentine Low, published last year. It’s a very interesting book – I didn’t realise there was such close communication between the Palace and Downing Street. But there was one bit which I’m not sure what the author was trying to say. It’s part of what’s in the red boxes:
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If there was anything that was more complicated, needed discussion or had to be signed – including parliamentary bills requiring royal assent – it would go up in a wicker basket with the private secretary when they had their morning meeting with the Queen. Before going up, private secretaries would lay out the papers on their desk, or sometimes even on the floor, so they could work out what order to put them in: important papers at the top, to be dealt with first, then a few lighter things. If there was some difficult bit of family business to discuss – involving Prince Andrew, say – the wise private secretary would sandwich it between two lighter things. That way, after the slightly difficult conversation, there would be something to lighten the tone.
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So, was it that QEII didn’t want to hear bad things about Andrew but the courtiers tried to alert her, or were the courtiers trying to keep things from her?

Lownie now saying Epstein may have been working for Moscow, this just gets worse and worse.
https://archive.ph/RqGN5

The AMW defence started early on this thread, fair play 😆

This has been hinted before and TBH nothing would surprise me at this point.

Vladimir plays a long game, doesn't he?

The Russians were always going to be found to be a major player in this whole thing.

And we have no idea what information AMW may have passed to them via Epstein

I greatly suspect it’s going to get worse and worse with the links to Mossad, Putin and China yet to be investigated.
Lownie said that the Russians have plenty of incriminating evidence on AMW, and I doubt that they’re the only ones.

And yet, according to Lownie, the Palace are currently making efforts to remind former pp officers of their obligations to remain silent under the Official Secrets Act, NDAs, and of the validity of their pensions.

Like it or not, Charles is top dog. The responsibility rests with him to do the right thing and make it known to the Met and intelligence services that it is ok for AMW to be fully investigated. The cover up simply must end.

William’s newly appointed crisis manager must be wondering what she has got herself involved in.
I’m sure Amanda Thirsk would be able to provide quite an insight into a lot of AMW’s exploits if and when she is asked to.

Thirsk was the mastermind behind AMW's newsnight interview, wasnt she? She is the type of person the RF appoint who are in thrall to them. She took the blame and then got immediately moved into another cushy role.

I haven’t seen anyone defending AMW

As well as being A’s private secretary she was also a director of pitch@palace.

Mainly place marking for later, but does anyone happen to know where Andrew is now?

Originally it was supposed to be that smaller place (Marsh Farm?) but now I see Wood Farm mentioned and thought that had been said to be a non starter?

The red boxes - this is another issue - but linked to the poster above mentioning them

This anachronistic nonsense of the red boxes needs to stop .

If, as we are told , the Windsors are apolitical and above it all, there is no need for them to see top level government papers . They see papers that long serving MPs do not .
If they were truly apolitical the stamp or whatever would be done as it is in republics .
Non executive presidents do not scrutinise draft legislation in order to check for the main chance to add to their own coffers .

Aside from the fact that the Windsors themselves do not have the intelligence nor the expertise to understand what they are reading - those about them may do . Wasn’t there some leak about Andrew passing top level government papers ?

The are clearly not apolitical as we kow the queen made sure she excluded herself and family from thousands of laws .

As for the tale ‘ they are so experienced and prime ministers hang on their very word. That’s propaganda. Elizabeth covered up for Andrew . She created long term constitutional threats .

Also the red box performative ritual helps create the mystique that somehow the Windsors are essential to the running of the state . As we have seen re Andrew , they are actually a threat to us

Parliament could and should table a bill tomorrow stopping the practice .

A sort of classic ‘shit sandwich’. I guess Queen Liz didn’t like hearing any negatives about her nonce of a son.

The use by date is fast approaching for the RF. Looking forward to some distraction techniques soon, kids, health of monarch and future queen, interior decor of the new pad in Windsor, a visit to something or other in a new dress.

But maybe they feel like rabbits in the headlights now. I don't know how any of them can be so brazen as to even think of appearing in public anytime soon. They know, they knew, they protected, and continue to do so. The tentacles run deep.

William off on a jolly to Saudi Arabia tomorrow - that bastion of free speech and women’s rights.

This is a very interesting point. I wonder if other Constitutional monarchs get the same level of access to State information. And, if so, what the rationale is in those countries.

He is going as requested by the Government. Maybe ask Starmer ?

@Rhaidimiddim

The more I think about the more I think the red boxes are a key issue

The red boxes continue to support the image that the Windsors are somehow ‘special’ and holding up the entire system of government . When truth is it benefits the Windsors not us.

Never mind the abuses Windsors have inflected on us as a result of their access to government papers .

If a signature / stamp is needed - it’s a civil service/ governmental issue , as other countries must do.
Or a Windsor can sign at the LAST stage - that would more apolitical and no first / second look and consent/ assent nonsense.

I know he is @Mylovelygreendress
But don’t we know that his uncle and cousins have had very cosy relationships with the Saudi RF. I’m sure they will make him feel right at home.

It’s the government sending him so yet more diversionary tactics, get the spotlight off Mandelson and Starmer?