Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

But that's not the same as potentially withholding it from security services in allied territories.

Where to start with this?

Have Earthshot done or said anything ?
Epstein was emailing Buckingham palace in 2019 complaining about the wording of a statement that the palace put out . Does anyone think that the palace was unaware that Epstein was having ‘private’ dinners there and draping himself over thrones? He was in regular contact and visiting regularly and had been a convicted pedophile since 2008 .

Im sure staff at Earthshot had no idea when they dealt with the donation
But they know now .

Of course I don't expect the findings to have made their way into checks available to regular charities but that's no reason to think information sharing at a far higher security level doesn't occur.

That’s not how confidential, intergovernmental information sharing works. Or you find yourself in Peter Mandelson “here, this is probably useful for you” territory…

What I don’t see asked much is why the Windsors have waited 17 years to be ‘concerned’ about Epstein victims .

That fact will not go away .

Ro Khanna calls the above the law billionaires in the files who all swim in the same swamp ‘ the Epstein class’

That’s not how confidential, intergovernmental information sharing works.

You're sounding quite confident on an obscured process.

Are you privy to its twists and turns?🕵

I have shared confidential information government agency to foreign government agency in the past, yes. So yes, I know what I’m talking about and how information sharing gateways work. It sounds from your posts like you don’t.

I’ve also seen commentators suggesting that the donations weren’t made to Earthshot but rather to two prize winners directly. So even less reason to think their due diligence processes would pick up something unknown to the world until very recently.

And as the US government wants to hide this man's name from Everybody In The Whole Wide World at this point in Epstein proceedings....

... do you really think they'd have been happy if whatever UK intel orgs they'd shared his name and reputation with had then passed it on to every single charity the members of the RF are patrons of?

"Keep away from the Sultan here, he's a bad 'un ( but don't tell anyone, please)!"

Do you know how many charities and orgs this would involve ( I don't, but Anne alone would total at least a hundred)?

The US establishment were protecting these men; even if Earthshot had a process for vetting donors, do you really think they'd have got the lowdown on the bad 'uns if the US establishment had anything to do wish it?

Minor edit - as instead of if as second word in the first sentence.

Will DP World be removed from the Earthshot website?

DP is on the Earthshot website now described as a ‘founding partner’

That’ll be a Board of Trustees decision I think, possibly after a recommendation from the executive officer(s). Jacinda Ardern is a Trustee, I see.

https://earthshotprize.org/people-partners/board-of-trustees/

It will take a great deal more than removing DP from the website

The problem William has is his family is linked to Epstein over many years .

His family used their privileged position to smear an Epstein victim, his uncle lied about helping the police , his family used their privilege to prevent delivery of legal papers and are still protecting him now

And then there’s the dark history of Mountbatten and the qusestions around Charles’ friendships.

Revolting

https://apple.news/Ahq6QFtf9Q8WUhj6wv8WjPQ

The problem William has is his family is linked to Epstein over many years
Did they not even notice the Private Eye magazine of 18th March 2011??
https://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers/cover-1284
That is Beatrice's 18th birthday party - the one attended by Harvey Weinstein.
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Gates Foundation also a 'founding partner'.

IIRC there's a photo taken at that party featuring Weinstein, Maxwell and Epstein together in one shot.

C3 part subbing his brother to pay off a woman he'd never met, some of the rest chipping in to round up the figure and then they try to fob us off with weasel words and crocodile tears.

MW was once cited as third on the royal rich list.

Where the hell is it all?

It's gobsmacking to think that Private Eye cover was 15 years ago. So the schmoozing of Epstein for cash was blatantly obvious.

Yep, here's the pic
🤮
Two in prison, one in prison until seen off/saw himself off

We should know exactly who contributed money to Andrew to pay off Virginia. Why is it called a loan ? How exactly will Andrew repay? Is it that ‘loan’ sounds more hands off than ‘gift’ ?

Werent we told all the money came from Elizabeth ? Now we learn some of it was from Philip (3 million)
Now we hear Charles gave 1.5 million . Others gave 500 000 . Which ‘others’
How has all this come to light suddenly ?
Why are we being manipulated like this?

I have seen that photo but I use the date 2008 as that was when Epstein pleaded guilty to child solicitation in Florida .
The multi million pound Windsor security we pay for must surely have known this .

It sounds like the royal family passed the hat round!

QE2 said I'll put in a big wodge and the rest of you have to cough up too.
I would love love to know who paid what. That would open a big can of worms!
Daughters? William? Anne or Edward?

What do the RF security actually do? Apart from physical bodyguarding? They seem completely inept. Or is it that they know that any dodgy behaviour (to put it mildly) is not to be passed up the chain?

Very coincidental timing for this new information about how many Windsors contributed to Andrew’s pay off of Virgina

New information released ( how?) just as the intensity of William’s scandal was building
Was it a deflection attempt ?
Or are we to expect more leaks ?

Even if none of them has been convicted, their predilictions were an open secret for years before. They have access to hundreds of security and intelligence personnel, not to mention PR, who will have had their contacts in showbiz, the elite etc. As Trump apparently said, everyone knew about Epstein and everyone in the entertainment industry knew about Weinstein. Yet no one thought inviting those 3 to an 18 year old girls birthday party was at all inadvisable? Of course they must have known. What is more likely, that these people inexplicably decided not to do their job, or that it was completely ignored by AMW and TLQ-who was in charge and could have refused entry?

I think they know there is no point. They are literally paid to keep these idiots out of trouble and save then from themselves. Some of them ( Fawcett, Thirsk for example) are employed to take the blame when things inevitably go pear shaped.