Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

This!

This puzzles me. Where did all the money he was grifting ( and inherited - plus the £14 m he got when he dold yhe marital home) go? He was living in subsudised housing, probably a lot of living- expense perks.

Are we really expected to believe that he let SF blow through it all?

I seem to remember seeing an interview with Andrew Lownie where he said that financial scandals would be the issue that finally would sound the deathknell for the RF (or words to that effect). I think that's the way it is heading now.

Elizabeth used Duchy money for part of the pay off
It’s all our money of course but this Duchy rip needs to stop
Taking money from the people to pay off an accuser to prevent the trial of Andrew Windsor

The bodyguards got punched regularly by H, and seem to accept this as part of the job. As in, not worth raising a formal complaint against their employer.

So if another RF member is abusing his position in other ways, why would we expect them to object?

As for the intel agencies at the top.of the security tree - what did they know abt AMW's activities and when; did they tell anyone ( and, if do who); and if they didn't know or didn't tell, why not?

Perhaps I've read too much Slow Horses, but the US authorities are properly keen NOT to prosecute anyone American for the Epstein thing. Andy and his chum Ghislaine have been a useful, high-celeb distraction.

Elizabeth used Duchy money for part of the pay off

Do you have a reference for that please?

The last time someone mentioned it, they pointed me to a Guardian article, where the linked reference didn't actually say that.

So if another RF member is abusing his position in other ways, why would we expect them to object?
I may be naive but if young women are being smuggled into royal residences for sex with a member of the RF who was known to have had a relationship with a man who had served time in prison for child sex abuse, I would have thought that would be worth at least a mention to more senior people.

@bluegreygreen

Not to derail the thread but :
It was confirmed that ‘public money’ was not used. That meant that the annual handout to the Windsors was not used - the Sovereign grant
It was reported that the money came from the Privy purse . The privy purse is Duchy money.

We now learn that pay off was presented as a ‘loan’ . No doubt to avoid this exact issue (public money being used to pay off a victim)
How exactly was Andrew to repay £12 million?

ALL of their money is public money.

Back to Earthshot
Has anything been done ?

I hadn't seen the report that it came from the Duchy/Privy Purse, hence asking last time, and as I said, the link I was pointed to didn't say that. If you have a reference I'd be grateful.

Don't want to derail so won't argue with the other comments.

Me too.

But, we seem to live in a society where women and girls aren't thought of as people by the men and women at the top. More as social currency, swapped for favours.

Hislop's shameful "nobody was killed" when discussing the culture of sexual harassment in the Houses of Parliament; the almost-complete lack of MSM interest in the grooming gangs scandal; the Governments' disdain for the recent Supreme Court ruling; the way TWAW was adopted without thought for what it meant by the pundit world (and Women's Hour).

All indicates a culture in which Randy Andy sneaking a woman into BP would be looked on with Carry On film phoar-get-in-there-mate complicity rather than censure - his nickname is the clue. If the woman looked of age and seemed willing, why would they interfere anyway - are people who associated with Epstein not allowed a sex life afterwards?

I want to know how QE2 would sell the idea of other members of the royal family contributing to Andrew's get-out-of-jail fund.

It's for the sake of the Monarchy
He's your brother/cousin whatever
It's just a loan, you'll get it back
he's been falsely accused, you have to support him

the mind is boggled

I don’t see why I should do your google search for you @bluegreygreen

There are numerous articles but this one from the telegraph written by one of the royal ‘rota’ I believe may be more acceptable to you

https://archive.ph/h1W5F

The article is 3 years old.
So much more has come out since.

Does anyone think that all these revelations are becoming far too hot to be reported on, and it's being downplayed a bit? I have my doubts that everyone knows about Earthshot, or the "loan" and the multiple whip arounds to fund it, and that the majority came from Duchy funds, and that Andrew ripped through multi millions, and that Epstein and his two amigos were at Beatrice's party and so on.

Yes, some do, and hopefully more than I think, but so far I don't think it's getting the shock and awe factor that it bloody well should!

(but maybe I live in a bubble, since I don't watch TV 😊)

I did wonder why the report about Earthshot being referred to the charities commission was not in the BBC website . It was on ITVs news website .

Taken from elsewhere...this is just beyond shocking.
Good for Gordon.

"The headline in The New Stateman is: Gordon Brown, the police need to interview Andrew"
"Gordon Brown has been looking at all the e-mails, the Lolita express flights, Jeffrey Epstein's place used for trafficking"
"He says British girls were on 90 Epstein flights organised from UK airports" "And he says 15 of these flights were given the go ahead after Epstein's 2008 conviction for soliciting sex from a minor"
"How Stansted airport was used for the Epstein flights to transfer these girls from one plane to another"
"Then Gordon Brown writes this: I have been told the investigation into Prince Andrew did not properly check vital evidence, I've asked the police to look at this part of the inquiry. The Stansted revelations alone require them to interview Andrew"

Lownie said there were intelligence officers who have come to him as recently as a few weeks ago saying that the RF or their hired heavies have been threatening them, saying they have signed NDA's and mentioning their pensions ( which they are apparently not allowed to touch, so why mention them?). There have been rumours that intelligence officers went to TLQ and she not only ignored them but threatened them with losing their jobs, and never working again. Maybe not personally, but her 'people'. Whats the point,of losing your job or whilstleblowing over something that will make no difference because the Head of State who everyone, the government, the armed forces, the police, swear allegiance to, is going to make sure you never work again, and nothing will happen anyway?
Met police officers have found no wrongdoing at all, despite their own officers accompanying AMW everywhere, even staying at Epsteins house, and even though there is evidence of AMW asking one of their officers to illegally dig dirt on VG. Yet, no one knew anything, and there was no wrongdoing at all, in any of it, over 20 years and despite 2 people being convicted of wrongdoing.

@Ukisgaslit thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

That reference came before the case was concluded and said that the Queen was paying for Andrew's defence from her Duchy income.

I have since found a report saying that she 'partly funded' the settlement and that her contribution came from Duchy income.

Putting it here so I can find it again https://archive.is/9G6CS

(BTW I don't care where the article is from, as long as things they link to say what they claim they do)

Whats the point,of losing your job or whilstleblowing over something that will make no difference because the Head of State who everyone, the government, the armed forces, the police, swear allegiance to, is going to make sure you never work again, and nothing will happen anyway?

It's a fair point, @RainbowBagels, though since the RF's overall approach has been widely known for years I'd have to wonder why folk would want the job in the first place

Apparently it's said to be good for the CV, though all it would suggest to me is that the applicant's okay with cover-ups and generally pretty supine

Men like Gordon Brown help to restore your faith .

I’d add the journalist who repeatedly questioned William in Saudia Arabia .
William ignored him . But the bravery that took . He put other journalists who have not been holding the Windsors to account , to shame .

Certainly those police protection officers who happily (presumably) sat around at Epsteins house in NY with their eyes closed. Maybe it was jetlag.
I don't think these were people who worked for the RF but civil servants who have had to deal with them as part of their job.

I don't think these were people who worked for the RF but civil servants who have had to deal with them as part of their job

Yes that's true, @RainbowBagels - I was really thinking more of actual employees of the RF - but I'd have thought even people like police protection officers could swerve being directly involved if they really wanted to?

Never ask me why, but it seems enough covet the role without them needing to offer them to those who wouldn't

Another point worth making.
Met police officers. Those staunch champions of women's rights. We'd all trust them to do the right thing if gjey suspected a youbg woman was being sexuslly abused, wouldn't we, ladies?

A few words on the victims while at the same time reminding all the witnesses staff about their NDAs and consequences. Great look for the Royals and their minions. At this point I was following orders doesn't cut it, everyone who was present or there for cleanup needs to say what they know. Apparently the very small person on the floor with Andrew was trafficked. They haven't said how old they were yet, I'm really hoping its not a child.

I cant keep learning about this . But then I think of the victims and think how dare I turn away .

I think that’s possible. Where did the money for the ski lodge come from too?

She is supine and seems so petite / small. It’s an unnerving image.

To think that a few years ago Andrew said that he would be ‘fighting to clear my name’. He’s a just another bland, pedestrian, banal male abuser under the privileged facade.