Thoughts on Beatrice & Eugenie re the Epstein scandal?

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For a long time, I felt sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. I thought they were just caught up in their parents’ mess, paying the price for Andrew and Sarah’s awful judgement. Poor girls, wrong family, wrong parents, etc.

But new reports have really shifted that for me. Leaked emails suggest Sarah Ferguson was “the first to celebrate” Jeffrey Epstein’s release from prison, and apparently did so with both daughters in tow. At the time, Beatrice was around 20 and Eugenie 19 - not children. Fully grown young adults.

And this wasn’t before everything came out. Epstein had already been to prison by then. They would have known who he was, why he was jailed, and what sort of man he was. He wasn’t some vague family friend with rumours - he was a convicted sex offender. Many of his victims were the same age as them.

I’m finding it hard to buy the idea that they were completely clueless or had no understanding of what was going on. Yes, parental pressure is real, and Fergie’s judgement is notoriously dreadful - but at 19 and 20, you’re old enough to know that celebrating a paedophile’s release is deeply wrong.

So are they really as innocent as they’re often portrayed?

Oh he knew alright. All of them did. Harry doesnt want to bring down the RF. He wants a Royal Family that is even less accountable than it is now, with a culture of deference from the press applied to all of them, not just to protect the heir. Telling all would implicate all of them in a cover up. They only acted because they knew everything was about to come out. As long as it was a secret, everything was fine by them. All of them.

Omg yes. The cupping of the ear to the crowd. The LA pins in her hat when on the way to Los Angeles. All total cringe. No idea of how to conduct herself

I don't think that either of B or E's husbands are 'that' wealthy. Certainly not wealthy enough to keep them in a RF adjacent lifestyle without some serious cash/property coming from elsewhere.

I agree.

There will be some seriously hefty trust funds lurking in the background IMO.

It's quite infuriating to note MW has apparently moved to the property (Wood Farm) he was said to have been angling for all along.

How are they going to lever him out of that? Will they even bother? Are the 'renovations' in the smaller (but still highly desirable property) just a bluff to appease the plebs?

No. Interpret that way if you like but it is an unbalanced interpretation.

Lownie could have chosen to put those details up front like the Susan Barrantes and Prince Phillip story, which would have been easy for the tabloids to latch on to, but he didn’t. The information was dealt with as sensitively and discreetly and briefly as possible, tucked in among the rest of the information about Andrew’s early years. It wasn’t sensationalised.

And you can’t just choose to ignore and discredit the rest of the book which took four years to write, involved numerous Freedom of Information requests, and contains information relating to approximately 300 interviews with sources such as senior politicians, naval officers, and diplomats. Every story included in the book was double verified and underwent detailed independent scrutiny by lawyers.

Lastly, I’ve no doubt your objections, and the other objections of others on this thread, are genuine Littlethatchedcottage, and everyone is entitled to their own view on what is a very sensitive and painful subject matter, but equally, let’s not pretend that *some people keep referring back to these two or three sentences in the book because it suits their agenda as monarchists to discredit Lownie as an author.

Well said @Muddyotter567

I am so grateful Andrew Lownie has put in the time, effort and money to write this book. Years of his life have been set aside to bring facts to us.

I have also read The Mountbattens : Their Lives and Loves. He is meticulous in his detail. It was quite heavy going book but well worth a read.

We need more people like him, a historian who gets his facts right. I next want to read his book on the Duke of Windsor and his ties to the Nazis.

I’ve just ordered the Guy Burgess book;

… a communist sympathizer who infiltrated British institutions, passing classified information to the USSR…one of the. Cambridge five with Anthony Blunt, Surveyor of the Queen’s Pictures…

Fascinating and of course relevant reading atm when you consider current theories about Epstein potentially being backed by Russian money.

History repeating itself?

That needs to go on my list too!

I believe, unfortunately, that they were groomed. It’s disturbing how naturalized all of this was in those 'elite' or rather, parasitic circles.
What I keep wondering is: why? It feels like it was more than blackmail. Were they just bored, rich, and pushing boundaries as far as they could, laughing while mocking ordinary people? Or was it something ritualistic?

Beatrice still talks to their father. Eugenie claims to have cut all contact. I hope Eugenie, who at least did that, has had a real wake-up call and is protecting her own children, and that she’s simply a better person now.

I won’t 100% blame someone who grew up surrounded by deeply twisted people, essentially inside a cult-like mindset, raised to believe they were chosen by God and isolated in a bubble of degeneracy , as long as they learned and changed.
It’s healthy to stay a little suspicious of royals, in case they’re being performative, but I hope Eugenie is being honest.

It's shocking how easy it was for them to forget they were dining with a convicted sex offender....but then so did American voters when they voted a convicted sex offender as their president

They are just like their parents.

They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Andrew was always very keen to remind QEII and Charles that B and E were the only blood princesses of their generation. He did what he could to leverage their titles and I have no doubt he and Fergie used them to help get what they could from their ‘friends’. Remember the £750k ‘wedding present’?

The girls were brought up enjoying a lifestyle they want to maintain. Marrying well helps but their big USP is being a princess. I am sure they have been happy to let anyone foot the bill for their holidays, nights out, clothes etc. The story on the news last night about Epstein paying their flights to Florida was shocking - he paid for the girls to go economy on the way out but Fergie flew business (maybe she wangled them a free upgrade from BA). On the way back she asked Epstein to pay for First class for Fergie and Business for the girls. He said no but clearly she was teaching them to expect others to pay (but there’s no such thing as a free lunch) and I was gobsmacked that she thought she should always travel a class above her daughters. So entitled!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-beatrice-wedding-gift-b2049478.html

Very true!

The rumours about Eugenie cutting them off is bokum apparently. I watched a journalist from the Telegraph saying yesterday that she is very much still supporting them, just more discreetly than Beatrice.

Well quelle suprise!

Thanks for the update 👍 If that’s the case, then the distanced image she’s been projecting is just more clever PR. It’s disappointing; you can grow up in a mess, but at some point, you have to choose a side. Supporting him discreetly after everything he had done and while he refuses to apologize to victims is still support. It makes wonder how deep the enabling goes within the family if even the activist princess won’t truly walk away. Also why they are being so keen into protecting this kind of degenerate behaviour.

I’d say they all are discrediting supporting. It’s only negative media which results in any action from them.

@choux how were they the only blood princesses?

Harold? Do u mean Harry and Meghan? If so, Harry isn't Harold - he's Henry.

I can see how this could be the case bizarre though it would seem given the gravity of the offence.

I agree with this.
Some teens are very “aware” of the outside world, and actively involve themselves in demonstrations and supporting what they believe in etc.
Others, and I’d include myself at this age, just aren’t thinking about the wider issues of the world. I happen to still agree with most of my own family’s values, but at that age, had they made light of something in such a way that seemed credible, I’d have gone along with this, no question. I still viewed my parents as “knowing more” and that didn’t start to change until I’d lived more independently.

Also, although I’m not sure about the exact time frame, why are people presuming that they had the full picture? They might have, and, depending on their character might have had their own opinions and gone along happily, but they may have had no idea and just went with their parents.

The only blood princesses of their generation was my full phrase. it is used in the article below which also notes that Eugenie’s salary for the art gallery she worked at was. Less than £35k a year. So she needed someone to pay all her living upper class living and travel expenses.

The other granddaughters of QEII are Zara and Louise neither of whom are styled ‘Princess’ although Louise is technically a princess but doesn’t use the title. Zara is not a princess as the title derives from the father’s title not the mother.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/22/going-pay-beatrice-eugenie-prince-andrew-sacked-11199634/

They'd have to be very independent to see what these manipulative adults were really like, and not be influenced by their parents' attitudes, and they were probably raised not to be independent critical thinkers, but to keep mummy and daddy happy.
All the Royal children are raised not to be independent. They rely on the Monarch for all their income, their home, everything, whether they are their parent, their sibling or their nephew from birth to death. Its how they enforce loyalty. No one has done that to them. They lobbied for it.

I need to agree. They were raised inside a cult mindset.the fact that Harry had his woke up call and was able to get free and be independent despite the endless attacks, makes him incredibly strong.

I saw recent photo OPs of Sarah embracing Beatrice reported by Hello Magazine. It's very disturbing seeing how she talked of her daughters to Epstein even their intimate life. They are extremely out of touch. I wonder Beatrice headspace too, it seems she is ok with it all and believes all this abuse is normal?

He refers to himself by his nickname - Harold - in his bestseller.