Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

[TheHaplessWit]

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

I remember royalists on these threads downplaying Andrews crimes and worse - blackening Virgina Guiffree’s name
They tried blaming the parents of trafficked girls they said it wasnt ‘illegal’

Yes I’m very angry. I’m avoiding the files as I find them too disturbing.
All of the Windsors are complicit until a proper independent investigation is done.
There has been no accountability.

That is monarchy- unaccountable

Article on the BBC website today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8r5pjlgv7o

I'm not sure who ' royal journalist Victoria Murphy' is but she is making a hilariously bad case for Beatrice and Eugenie who, you might be surprised to hear, the public have "sympathy" for. She also excuses the 21 and 19 year old princesses who had lunch with Epstein and Sarah after he was released from prison, saying,

"It's easy to be critical of that decision now that Epstein's crimes are front and centre, but if no-one was raising any flags for them at the time you can see how they would just have gone on the trip their mother organised."

Apparently being in prison wasn't enough to to them off?

What the fuchsia wrong with these people? She sounds proud of having her name in he files. But then someone who is prepared to Mick an innocent women's death isn't exactly overflowing on the moral front.

I assume she’s a royalist

That should say what the fuck is wrong with the people. My new phone doesn't seem to approve of swearing!

What a pair of dimwits. Either they're incredibly thick a la their caricatures in The Windsors or they genuinely thought Epstein's conviction was a miscarriage of justice.

Now we hear Epstein’s donation to one of Williams PR - sorry -charities - was happily accepted . This is after Epstein had been convicted of child solicitation.

It has already been clarified upthread that it wasn't one of William's charities and that he had nothing to do with either the organisation of the charity or donations that came in to it.

^The link is here: https://archive.ph/DeKH7^
William was not a patron of WildAid, and hasn't been that I can discover. He was an ambassador - made a video in 2013, and carried out some engagements in 2014 and 2015. He had nothing to do with the organisation of the charity or any donations.
William has been a patron of Tusk since 2005, and set up his own wildlife charity (United for Wildlife) through his Royal Foundation in 2014.

He was an ambassador for that charity

After Epstein had been convicted of child solicitation

He still is an ambassador. He’s on their website.

When the allegations of Virginia Giuffre against AMBW were first emerging, the Palace put out statements saying that they were 'totally false' and 'without any foundation'.

That was the spokesperson of our then Head of State, publicly branding a sex trafficking victim as a liar.

In response to what the RF could do now: for a start they could explicitly retract and apologise for those previous statements, which to my knowledge they have never previously done despite the evidence that has come to light showing MBW himself was the liar. And they could stop protecting MBW (which they are STILL doing) and make clear that they will not oppose in any way any investigation to establish the facts. We need to access all of these including the UK Trade Envoy records, regardless of the embarrassment it causes others.

@bluegreygreen

Any comment on Epstein advising Elizabeth Windsor on how to hoard even more billions?

The point is , Epstein was entwined with the Windsors in multiple ways and for a long time.

They knew .
I believe Andrew is not the only abuser in that family
And before royalists try to excuse the Windsors - it’s not the same as other individuals. The Windsors are above the law and unaccountable

I find it quite interesting the charity was awarded an Earthshot prize in 2023 given the thousands of high quality entries we are assured the initiative attracts every year.

This covers it . They are STILL allowing Andrew to state his innocence .

That statement from BP denigrating and smearing Virginia Guiffre was an absolute abuse of power. It was also corrupt .

They are STILL allowing Andrew to state his innocence .

They've also installed him in the luxury gaff he was said to be holding out for under the pretext the smaller luxury gaff he's not so keen on is still being renovated.

Quite frankly @Serenster what exactly are you saying here ?

You are weighing up some cynical PR approach to how to downplay the Windsor crimes ?
Better to say nothing ? What ?

David Beckham also an ambassador for Wildaid

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This

There was some truly disgusting maligning of Virginia Guiffre

• But she was smiling in that photo
• Where were her parents?
• She knew exactly what she was doing
• She was just after the money

I could answer each one of those above but if you don't understand now, you never will. I do not doubt there will be posters on the RF threads still thinking all of the above. They won't admit to it now it's all coming out, but they think it.

Interesting.

O/T but that reminds me we've never had a decent explanation for why and how the Beckhams came by access to BP to hold a princess party for their daughter. A party attended by Euge.

The Beckham tentacles appear to be firmly entwined with the royals.

Jesus, “Lady” Victoria Hervey is an absolutely disgusting excuse for a human being.

I am saying that the Windsor PR strategy - which to an onlooker seems to be to be “Keep Calm and Carry On” for those who are not Andrew and so not linked to Epstein seems to be a better tactic than making a statement. Because it’s quite clear that no statement would actually be sufficient - that’s obvious from these threads where people are advocating for all sorts - everyone wants something different and a statement could not possibly meet everyone’s wishes.

The Norwegian Royal family have made a few statements now and they have landed badly it seems - it’s a cautionary tale, I imagine for advisors.

(and I know that you and other posters regard all the Windsors as complicit in what Epstein was up to, but there’s absolutely no evidence of that in the 3 million emails. So it’s based on what - presumed omniscience of what a fully gown adult with his own house and own independent team was doing and writing in his private emails? We don’t apply that standard to anybody else. So aside from Andrew and Sarah’s conduct, I see no evidence of “Windsor crimes” Even in respect of Andrew and Sarah, “potentially criminal activities” is more accurate. But accuracy is not what you are going for, I realise!).

You were commenting on how it ‘looks’ , weighing up the effective of various approaches . Nothing to do with the truth .

No everyone does not ‘want something different’
Decent people want accountability not PR window dressing.
The Windsors are up to their neck in this

Strange to use a phrase such as ‘keep calm and carry on’ to the Windsors mishandling of this scandal.
Are you trying to link the Windsors to some brave fight against adversity?

It’s a fairly common phrase, ukisgaslit. Your interpretation of it is not mine.

And as I’ve said you previously, these are your opinions, they are not facts. Other opinions are available.