Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

[TheHaplessWit]

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

Well I’ve been looking into the Andrew / Duke issue and from what I can make out the act of parliament , if it goes through , will give MORE executive power to Charles.

This act will allow Charles and William if the Windsors are still there, to unilaterally remove peerages. It’s the sort of executive power that monarchs haven’t had since the Middle Ages .
There is a ‘recommendation’ needed from a committee of MPs but we know how that will go

I think they are doing this to avoid the realms ( a nonsense anyway) breaking up - eg Canada or Tuvulu disagree with Charles and go their own way-= break up of the realms .
So to avoid that they are handing Charles more power here in the uk to avoid needing agreement among them all .

I hope I’m wrong but has this been properly explained in the media?

Hello @CathyorClaire . I think you know from other discussions , I hope we will get as far as George and indeed further. That said I would like KC now and W to show more "modernising" . Particularly in transparency of finances. IHT , Duchy finances. And a greater propensity to act to remove titles / other privileges from anyone who is hanging on the coat tails of the RF and behaves in a manner unbecoming.
I once read "oh but if the monarch has to pay IHT when leaving it to the next monarch , they may have to sell Sandringham or Balmoral " Well , tough. (When you look at the circumstances of their purchase and the lack of tax from Victoria onwards - I'm not that fussed - I am sure there would be a way of paying that tax and giving the monarch a couple of holiday homes. )

I do hope we retain a constitutional monarchy - that's just my opinion. But I think we need them to show willing , demonstrably. Including real money.

😂& 💐 CathyorClaire - I see your point , I just have a slightly different one , but appreciate your considered posts to me.

I once read "oh but if the monarch has to pay IHT when leaving it to the next monarch , they may have to sell Sandringham or Balmoral " Well , tough

I just honestly don't think that would happen. Charles is a nearly double billionaire and William will be a double billionaire when he inherits. Careful tax planning and trusts would avoid such an IHT hit

(I know a little about IHT having a close family member doing this as their job)

I dont like to think it either, but I'm afraid to say it makes the late Queen look rather weak. I now think their real motivation is not to serve the nation but to preserve themselves at all cost. I think now that self-interest is their only true motivation and I think we would be better off without them.

Just seen that Eugenie has now emerged, attending some event in Qatar. There's no keeping a good York down...

I should preface by saying I’m neither a royalist nor a William fan. I think his main contribution to the monarchy will be to do as little as possible while enriching himself as much as possible.

But I came at this donation scandal sideways while looking at some Branson stuff in the Epstein files - Epstein and Branson were seeing quite a lot of each other in 2013 with island hopping lunches each way. Epstein’s people asked Branson’s people to suggest a charity that Branson supported that Epstein could contribute to (the reason for this was unclear) and it was Branson who suggested WildAid to Epstein.

After Epstein’s donation the WildAid people tried to set up an in person meeting with him in NY, but Epstein said no. I don’t think there’s really a William connection here, it’s just coincidence.

I’ve dug into it a bit now and compiled the following list of Andrew’s misdeeds. I’m not sure how many of these have been proven. Please will you let me know of anything I’ve missed?

• He was closer to Epstein than he admitted
• He stayed close to Epstein for longer than he said
• He had sex with at least two trafficked women
• He was highly promiscuous
• He was cruel to his employees
• As trade representative he was more interested in obtaining luxury freebies than doing the work he was supposed to be doing
• He was involved in improper financial deals
• His behaviour made him vulnerable to exploitation by foreign intelligence services

When he entered a room and felt he hadn’t been greeted with enough bowing and scraping he would get angry leave the room and say “let’s try that again shall we”. Absolute twat.

@JuliettaCaeser
Blame his parents.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25834517.full-secret-notice-peter-mandelson-just-sent-uk-media/?ref=yahoo

oh dear Peter, the dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed.

@MrMischief I'm really pissed off that MNHQ removed the laugh emoji - it would have been so relevant for your post

Thanks @AnnaQuayInTheUk I miss that emoji!

There used to be a saying, I forget where it originated from, that the monarchy's primary function isn't so much to rule as to survive.

The organism does what makes the organism successful.

I don’t think any member of the RF is genuinely sorry or feels any empathy for the victims. I think all any of them are doing is covering their arses and going through the motions at the most basic level. I suspect moving Andrew has more to do with security issues and fears about him being seen out on his horse grinning at people than it has with any feeling of disgust at his lifestyle. Edward’s comment hints at his own response which is that he seems to think Andrew is a victim. A victim of his own greed and avarice and sexual drive?

They have been bred in a golden cage being fed the best food and given all they desire . They have have no concept of what goes on outside that cage , where people have to work, deal with issues they never encounter and develop some muscle. They are big fat lazy creatures who are only interested in self preservation.

Better to say nothing and have people think that may be the case than flounder around like the Norwegian royal family is doing at the moment leaving no doubt that the only thing in their minds is “poor us”, I guess…

What can they say in an evolving situation? Just when we think we know what Haslemere more awful things are revealed. Charles' last statement centering the victims was probably the best he can say until a full picture has emerged. Even then he can't exactly flog Andrew through the streets, the law needs to be enforced and maybe the only way he can be called to account will be in his financial dealings?

I think it's unfair to say that none of the family care though. Camilla and Sophie in particular have been supporting charities which work with victims for many years and seem genuinely passionate about their work. I just wish the media would focus on what they do more because many people, particularly politicians and law makers, could do with a bit of education about just how prevalent violence against women is.

Goodness me the entitlement. I suppose to continue associating with someone like Epstein being totally without morals or empathy is a prerequisite but still that's some brass neck.

Well Camilla and Soohie should speak out then, even more so!

You happily agree when other people say Meghan should speak out cos she supports certain charities.

This isnt the time to be quiet. The whole never explain complain bs strategy look what its done for the queen her legacy is ruined. They think it would blow over it hasnt and it wont.

lol that quote has made my day @MrMischief

I don't remember ever posting the Meghan should speak out because of a charity she supports, maybe you are confusing me with someone else.

Charles and Camilla have released a statement making it very clear their sympathies and support are with the victims, not Andrew. Until the revelations cease what else are they supposed to say? Weekly "we still support the victims" statements? Whilst we are getting increasing detail we aren't learning anything new about Andrew. There isn't anything more to say at this point. If his financial stuff gets police attention then I'd expect a news statement but not before.

On the “we support the victims” point, honestly the worst thing I’ve seen come out of the emails this week has been the emails Epstein was exchanging with Shaher Abdulak (the wealthiest man in Yemen) about what defences his son could use, and what the approach of the UK judiciary would be, given he had raped and murdered a young woman in London (it’s the case below).

Epstein consulted with Lord MacDonald, former Crown Prosecutor, and presumably the advice was not what they wanted to hear, as the son fled the UK to go to Yemen where he remains, and from where he cannot be extradited.

Her poor, poor family knowing that the rich simply get away with murder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Martine_Vik_Magnussen

Statements ? What meaningless hypocrisy.

They knew about Epstein and did nothing. Did nothing for years and years
Why would anyone want to hear another word from that sordid family ?

Now it’s coming out that there is some link between Epstein and Elizabeth Windsor’s hoarded billions.
What , she wanted more?
Now we hear Epstein’s donation to one of Williams PR - sorry -charities - was happily accepted . This is after Epstein had been convicted of child solicitation.

They are utterly insincere . I hope the public keep asking questions whenever a Windsor sticks their nose in public

All this handwringing when all they have to do is let the investigation see the security records and interview individuals. Andrew’s lack of cooperation will be even more stark.
Simple. What are they waiting for ?

They hardly look innocent while allowing individuals asking questions in public to be threatened with arrest .

Royalists continuing to support this disgusting family ought to be ashamed of themselves.