Andrew to be investigated by the Met Police

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15206253/Met-Police-launch-probe-Prince-Andrew.html

Ah, thanks @BigWillyLittleTodger - so Soho House is the connection?

I didn't know that Andrew was involved in tthat, but wouldn't really be surprised if so

There have been many allegations that Meghan was associated with several unsavoury characters pre Harry and that she knew Andrew. I have no idea if that is true or not .
I saw a photo of Andrew relaxing on a yacht with - apparently- Markus of Soho House.

The dragging of Harry & Meghan on this thread is just tiresome. Whatever you think of them they left the RF years ago, are getting on with their lives and no longer live off the UK public teat.

The more we learn about the family the more I think they did the right thing getting the hell out. Imagine these were your in laws?....no wonder Meghan wanted to run a mile rather than have her children live in this dysfunctional mess.

Meghan (who has always earned her own living bto) has left the family and weird grifter Sarah has stayed put. Says it all.

Here we go again ! They didn’t want to leave . Do you not remember their grandiose statement about “ collaborating “ with The Queen etc?
If the RF was so bad why does Harry want to reconcile , why do they cling on to their titles and inflict them on their children ?

I am just gobsmacked that Sarah had literally millions off of Epstein for 15 years. He was like their personal banker, shelling out, so much so Epstein was sick of them continually asking for money.
What a total and utter embarrassment and it seems like Epstein told others about this. What a reflection on the Royal Family and the country

They should both be totally ashamed. Bet they're not. They will just be angry that this has come out

More Epstein files are being released in the US, some names redacted, some not. This is just going to drag on and on

Perhaps because the head of that family is his dad? He might just like his kids to have a relationship with their grandparents?

Well he could bring them over to the U.K , stay somewhere on the Royal Estate and meet the family .

Expect he’d love to. Presumably needs permission.

Just 28 days notice, apparently.

It's all so murky and horrible, but I'm another who can't understand why none of the high profile Americans involved have not yet been held to account.

Because they have more political and business power than a British woman and a not-very-clever British prince.

Permission from whom ?

I understand the last time he was invited to stay he said he preferred to stay in a hotel.

The king, obviously. He was granted an hour for a cup of tea last time.
As a parent and grandparent, I think that was really shitty.

I expect if you were a head of state whose DS and DDiL had publicly called you a racist and then 18 months later said, whoops, nooo we didn’t mean that at all, it’s all the fault of the press - and slagged off your DW in print for money - and made your DM and DF’s last months / years a nightmare - and undermined your role by prancing about pretending to represent the UK when they don’t - and gone straight to the press with the details of previous conversations - you might be a bit wary of said offspring also.

Nothing would (or has) stopped me from maintaining close contact with my children, with one in particular for a protracted period through very difficult circumstances, because I love them come what may.
Head of State has absolutely sweet FA to do with it. He’s supposedly a human being and a father and grandfather first and foremost. Or bloody well ought to be.

Members of the so called royal family are without a shadow of a doubt racist.

In fact “wary of said offspring”? Jesus, you sound as cold as Charles.

I’m sure Charles loves Harry come what may. But whether he likes it or not he has a constitutional role and it must be a bit difficult to welcome your DS into the fold when he has done so much to undermine the monarchy and the UK - not just the racism allegations and the faux royal tours, but suing your government, accusing the family of wanting to harm him, it’s all an establishment stitch up, my father could sort it out if he wanted to etc etc. So much bitterness and so many lies, all aired in public ad nauseam. Shitting all over the privacy of family members and many others. For money. Going into partnership with Netflix while they were busy dramatising his mother’s mental health problems and death for entertainment. For money. Running to the media to repeat private conversations. For money. Charles has other responsibilities - to the rest of the family, the monarchy and the country. Of course he has to be wary of Harry.

You might think that members of the family are racist but Harry - who actually knows them after all - denies this. But then perhaps his judgement isn’t the best, what with his own well-documented racism.

I'm sorry, but if the things I have heard today are remotely true, that SF was taking millions for 15 years from Epstein and that Prince Andrew obtained Virginia Giuffre's state insurance number or whatever and asked a member of the met police to look into her with the aim of digging up dirt to preempt scrutiny on himself, then I'm afraid that him simply 'choosing' not to use his titles won't wash.

The reasons being that someone higher up within the family had to have known either how compromised he was, and that he attempted to instruct the officer to do this illegal dirty work. He apparently communicated this act to a senior BP staff member, seemingly without any feeling of misappropriation. That implies the Queen may have been put in the picture and so naturally it raises questions about how much Charles may have known too, as at this point the Queen's health wasn't robust and Charles may have been an advisory. If this was before the C4 interview, then possibly other RF members higher up already knew he was lying.

Another thought: There have been conspiracy theories aplenty regarding so called powers and authority that the RF possess to instruct police and British intelligence to make things they don't find convenient 'go away'. Let's not forget that there are still people out there who believe the RF had Diana murdered and we have had H&M implying their lives were made to be untenable by the family and they felt compelled to leave as an act of self preservation. We also have many Epstein victims saying they cannot talk or come forward out of fear of being 'got at' in some way and not everyone believes Virginia killed herself either. Well, doesn't this just give those ideas legs! PA casually asks one of his private Met security to look into Giuffre as if it's no big deal, just a run of the mill request. What else has he requested? It hints at using state authority for nefarious reasons and being comfortable with it.

Right now, I would favour the monarchy starting afresh with William and his immediate heirs or we wrap the whole thing up. It would actually be a relief to have no more H&M taking up column inches along with the constant scandals. The last few decades have been scandal after scandal with the RF and I just see it going on and on into the future. Charles doesn't seem to understand - maybe because he's of another generation - that simply allowing Andrew to relinquish his titles it just sounds patronising and removed from the little people. How on earth does that make up for being involved in sex trafficking?

And I believe the entire family would be happier as privileged normies. Able to live their lives without being papped constantly, able to protect their children's privacy, no stories about their private lives, able to enter politics and exert some tangible influence if they chose to. Perhaps we're all being selfish (And I believe in the institution in practical terms) by expecting a family to live as our figureheads in 2025.

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Is it now common knowledge about grooming gangs in Labour-led authorities? Yes. Is it widely suspected/known that Social Services and the Police were complicit? Yes. Are Social Services and the Police State operators? Yes.

So there, really, you have it. You absolutely don't mess with local authorities/councils, you just don't go there. They are local mafias.

Why didn't the Tories go after and expose what was going on in Labour-led local authorities, given it would have at the very least minimised any Labour landslide in the last election?

Because you absolutely don't mess with local authorities/councils, you just don't go there. They are local mafias.

Anyway, the local leadership is basically a franchise, it's not like their behaviour is authorised by the leader of the party, they keep out of it.

If it's any comfort, consider whether the Tory-led Surrey County Council authorises euthanasia of the elderly in Surrey care homes, or rather don't if you want to avoid sleepless nights.

Yes important to note that H&M were desperate for 1/2 in, 1/2 out and issued a global press release to define that they would be ‘collaborating with the Queen’ - they only left / flounced / smeared when this assumption wasn’t met.

In addition PH has offered his services more recently to the BRF and has expressed publicly how he is keen to reconcile.

YES! Hoping he ends up in jail. Fingers crossed.

Bill Clinton was the headliner on Wednesday night at the Democratic Party National Convention during the 2024 Presidential campaign where Kamala was officially nominated as the Presidential Candidate for the Democrats. The same Bill Clinton with a well-documented relationship with Epstein was cheered and feted that night and is currently doing the political rounds for the Democrats for the 2026 mid-term elections for House of Representatives and Senate seats.

And on the right we have the Republican incumbent President Trump, with a well-documented relationship with Epstein and very determined to pretend the Epstein situation does not exist.

Both political parties have a vested interest in the Epstein scandal remaining on the other side of the Atlantic. And the US press are very, very, very silent on the very powerful men at the apex of the US government, with untold intelligence and military resources at their command...potentially subject to blackmail by Epstein.

On the topic of Andrew, the anemic BP response is insulting to our intelligence. IMHO, KC3 would have been briefed but despite his knowledge, he still brought Fergie back to Christmas and Ascot. He let Andrew slither back in. Either KC3 shapes up and channels his inner Tudor to absolutely crush Andrew, or he hands things over to KW5 to execute the needful.

Of course he won't.

If he simply asked for information and was told no, then no crime has been committed. Sneaky and dishonourable but not criminal.

If he offered an inducement, that would be a crime but it would be one person's word against another. Impossible to prove unless there was a witness.

It could realistically only lead to a criminal conviction if the police officer had accepted and been caught accessing the information, which wouldn't be easy for a protection squad officer anyway, being well outside their normal duties.

@Spectre8 But your comment seems to imply that security is being paid in the present. It certainly appears that you used the present tense in an earlier post: "How do you a.feel habing to pay secuirty for Andrew eh...your money protecting him..."

I do apologise if I have misunderstood your comment.

Don't forget to add Laurens van der Post to that list. He abused a 14 year old child and made her pregnant. Despite which he was a close friend...