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jumpingthehighjump · 21/10/2025 13:24

No. I just wanted to illustrate it wasn't just driving when QE2 died

Londonmummy66 · 21/10/2025 13:32

BreadInCaptivity · 19/10/2025 19:22

I agree.

Its sensible to hold onto some leverage as much as I’d like to see PA kicked out to a 1 bed cottage at Anne’s gaff mucking out the stables for cash in hand.

God no - Zara and her kids live on the Gatcombe estate. I'd like to see him in jail - in a way that would be a good outcome for the RF and he could be shut away and have v limited access to the outside world. I can just imagine him telling the jailers to call him Sir..........

Mylovelygreendress · 21/10/2025 13:35

jumpingthehighjump · 21/10/2025 13:24

No. I just wanted to illustrate it wasn't just driving when QE2 died

So twice ? Should he be banished ?

jumpingthehighjump · 21/10/2025 13:45

Mylovelygreendress · 21/10/2025 13:35

So twice ? Should he be banished ?

William? Who suggested that? Obviously not given he's the heir
Whoever suggested that lol

Mylovelygreendress · 21/10/2025 13:48

jumpingthehighjump · 21/10/2025 13:45

William? Who suggested that? Obviously not given he's the heir
Whoever suggested that lol

Well you and others seem to be terribly worked up about a man giving his uncle a lift on 2 occasions , I just wondered what punishment you deem appropriate?

CurlewKate · 21/10/2025 14:00

Mylovelygreendress · 21/10/2025 13:48

Well you and others seem to be terribly worked up about a man giving his uncle a lift on 2 occasions , I just wondered what punishment you deem appropriate?

I’m not “terribly worked up” (so tedious, by the way, for people to use expressions like that about others calmly expressing opinions.). I just think it was very unwise for the PofW not to have publicly disassociated himself from Andrew. It’s not as if Andrew would have had to hitch a lift if PofW had not driven him.

JoeMarlerseyes · 21/10/2025 14:11

Mylovelygreendress · 21/10/2025 13:48

Well you and others seem to be terribly worked up about a man giving his uncle a lift on 2 occasions , I just wondered what punishment you deem appropriate?

I mentioned it because people keep saying how PW will make changes. I am not so sure.

BemusedAmerican · 21/10/2025 14:29

This past Easter, PW and
and his family did not join the others for Easter but went to their local Curch. He was extremely criticized on MN for not joining the family. So that's an example of him not associating with Andrew, who was prominent at Easter, and being publicly criticized for his decision.

RainbowBagels · 21/10/2025 14:33

CurlewKate · 21/10/2025 14:00

I’m not “terribly worked up” (so tedious, by the way, for people to use expressions like that about others calmly expressing opinions.). I just think it was very unwise for the PofW not to have publicly disassociated himself from Andrew. It’s not as if Andrew would have had to hitch a lift if PofW had not driven him.

Edited

Driving around with the PoW ( and riding with his siblings and walking his mother into church, his wife being given custody of the dogs etc etc) also demonstrates to every single shady character out there that Andrew is still very much in the bosom of his family, and therefore still someone they can exploit for access. They know hes the weakest link- stupid and greedy-as do they.

jumpingthehighjump · 21/10/2025 14:41

Mylovelygreendress · 21/10/2025 13:48

Well you and others seem to be terribly worked up about a man giving his uncle a lift on 2 occasions , I just wondered what punishment you deem appropriate?

Worked up? That's funny

No punishment, he's the heir and basically not accountable for much. Just don't do it again William 😅

emilysquest · 21/10/2025 14:59

It is my understanding that even before the Modern Slavery Act 2015, having sex with a trafficking victim is a criminal offence under English law. So if Virginia is telling the truth about the Belgravia flat sex (which I believe she is) this would be a prosecutable offence in England, even though Virginia was 17.

Timeforabitofpeace · 21/10/2025 15:02

I don’t think calling someone “terribly worked up” if they disagree with you is fair. It’s a bit manipulative.

Mylovelygreendress · 21/10/2025 15:07

Timeforabitofpeace · 21/10/2025 15:02

I don’t think calling someone “terribly worked up” if they disagree with you is fair. It’s a bit manipulative.

Not meant to be manipulative but I felt it was a fair comment given the hyperbolic statements being made on these threads .

binkie163 · 21/10/2025 15:37

I do think the palace has and will in the future try to rehabilitate Andrews image. They play the long game. Look at Camillas reputation reset over the years from loathed to loved 100% worked. I think the same for H the recent meeting was testing the water but it backfired because he wants it all now, too daft and petulant like his uncle.

Banjaxxedd · 21/10/2025 15:45

binkie163 · 21/10/2025 15:37

I do think the palace has and will in the future try to rehabilitate Andrews image. They play the long game. Look at Camillas reputation reset over the years from loathed to loved 100% worked. I think the same for H the recent meeting was testing the water but it backfired because he wants it all now, too daft and petulant like his uncle.

I disagree - PA crimes as multiple rapist of a teenager - make this impossible.

I also think it’s disrespectful to the victims of his crimes to suggest it’s on the same level as the non criminal subjective behaviours of Camilla or Harry.

binkie163 · 21/10/2025 16:12

Banjaxxedd · 21/10/2025 15:45

I disagree - PA crimes as multiple rapist of a teenager - make this impossible.

I also think it’s disrespectful to the victims of his crimes to suggest it’s on the same level as the non criminal subjective behaviours of Camilla or Harry.

I didn't realise there were more women accusing A of rape, I was only aware of virginia.

Spectre8 · 21/10/2025 17:40

binkie163 · 21/10/2025 15:37

I do think the palace has and will in the future try to rehabilitate Andrews image. They play the long game. Look at Camillas reputation reset over the years from loathed to loved 100% worked. I think the same for H the recent meeting was testing the water but it backfired because he wants it all now, too daft and petulant like his uncle.

Yup I agrre and all thus so called posturinf by William now, its just to save face and the RF brand and image...meanwhile in all these years he was happy to stand shoulder to shoulded with him and say nothing

BemusedAmerican · 21/10/2025 17:45

Might I add that everyone seems to be forgetting the Chinese spies issue. 🤔

Banjaxxedd · 21/10/2025 17:59

binkie163 · 21/10/2025 16:12

I didn't realise there were more women accusing A of rape, I was only aware of virginia.

I am not aware of other victims by name but we do know he raped the teenager Virginia three times (by her account).

CurlewKate · 21/10/2025 18:32

Mylovelygreendress · 21/10/2025 15:07

Not meant to be manipulative but I felt it was a fair comment given the hyperbolic statements being made on these threads .

It is absolutely manipulative. And a very tired tactic frequently used by RF apologists.

noonames · 21/10/2025 19:36

Banjaxxedd · 21/10/2025 12:19

@noonames - it’s a finely oiled machine - all releases etc would have been written years before and logistics rehearsed and finely tuned and then just put into place (Operation London Bridge).

My point is that the prior and ongoing (misguided) intentional process that PA should be included in public occasions with the family in order to be rehabilitated in public opinion just continued, business as usual, on that day.

Nothing they do is not orchestrated and intentional.

You think driving to Balmoral from Aberdeen on the day the Queen died was a public occasion? Because if not then surely it has nothing to do with any intentional process that he should be rehabilitated.

Lots of planning had been done (I was peripherally involved and had been to a few meetings myself) but there is always stuff to work out at the time. So where everyone was, who would travel to Scotland and how they would get there with the weather / helicopter issue. I’m sure nobody anticipated Harry would be quite such an arsehole. Slightly complicated by her being at Balmoral and many of the family not, although that was planned for but not as forensically as the plans for Windsor.

All the releases needed checking for the circumstances, updating and signing off, and although there was a plan for who had to be informed when, including family, heads of state in the commonwealth and elsewhere in the right order, domestic politicians in Westminster and the nations, the broadcasters and the press to figure out exactly when the announcement would be made, not to mention getting the hours running up to her death right, how much should they say to prepare people without jumping the gun - even though a lot of that was planned, people had to do it all, make those calls and issue those releases and sign off the scripts. All in the space of a few hours while dealing with a new monarch, a grieving family and then Harry. It was a well-designed and well-prepared machine but still one that had never actually been used before. So imagining there was a plan that was “just put in place” and it all magically happened while the comms team had a cup of tea and thought about how this could be used to make Andrew look good is extremely naive.

CathyorClaire · 21/10/2025 19:52

The flight up to Balmoral was delayed due to unplanned human reasons.

Probably safe to assume there were radio communications available though and that an extra car and driver could have been summoned in advance from the extensive car pool.

sashh · 22/10/2025 08:23

MrsLeonFarrell · 21/10/2025 08:28

I can't see how even King William can remove Andrew from Royal Lodge. Legally that is for the Crown Estate and I suspect if the organisation wanted Andrew removed they could find evidence to remove him. For some reason they aren't doing that, i could understand that they might not want to upset the late Queen but surely now they can see it would be the right thing to do?

Maybe they could just build a wall around it.

MrsLeonFarrell · 22/10/2025 08:41

sashh · 22/10/2025 08:23

Maybe they could just build a wall around it.

I read somewhere that Charles organised a speed bump in front of the gate as Andrew liked to roar out in his car. I doubt that it is true but I sort of wish it was.

A wall would work too though.

RainbowBagels · 22/10/2025 08:51

BemusedAmerican · 21/10/2025 17:45

Might I add that everyone seems to be forgetting the Chinese spies issue. 🤔

Yes actually security of the country wise, the Chinese spy business, the shady associations with Turkish fraudsters, the kazakh dodgy billionnaire who bought his marital home, his trade envoy expoits etc etc. Its not just one 'error of judgment' in not noticing that very young girls wrre being paraded round his mates houses. Its a series of very shady behaviours ( at the very, very least) from a man who was protected at the highest levels by the Head of State and her government, against the National interest.

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