Andrew to lose Duke of York title

[Flixon]

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2.

bloody good job !

I think you could be right there @JSMill . It was clear that William was not happy with the grinning oaf .

I think the you make about his cooperation and treatment by the authorities is absolutely right , he should be treated like everyone else. The police according to reports this morning are looking at new allegations is the right course of action.

Why give him the opportunity to try and 'save face' by releasing a hypocritical and disingenuous statement? Why was Andy allowed to have the last word on the matter?

Worrying that Andrew and Sarah will have a lot they can reveal to bring the royal family down. I don't know if the Wales family have been careful around them and not gossiped about e.g Sussexes or other damaging things.

None of this is a good look for the RF. None.

Andrew has bent over backwards to ensure none of us have the full facts. So much evidence points to his guilt but it looks as though he will never face any consequences and will continue to be protected. The 'trial by press' is the only trial he is going to see.
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As Andrew Lownie said, it is mealy mouthed actions that really make no difference to Andrew from what QE2 did removing his patronages etc years ago. Life will go on for him. Nothing will change apart from not trying to shamelessly insert himself into any royal party but I blame Charles for that. He should've insisted that Sarah ex wife of 30 years need not attend, and Andrew should be seated in the Church before the royal party enter.

@Flixon Can you start a Part 2 when this thread ends? 😊 I understand there are going to be more revelations next week

People might not believe him but that wouldn't stop the press serialising it and generating the most lurid of headlines while the RF as per would most likely refuse to complain or explain.

Just as we saw with 'Spare' the fallout would be immense and damaging.

Well she could call herself Princess Andrew if she wanted (like Princess Michael) - but she's obviously decided that's worse..

I think you’re right there.

I’m also curious why it took the intervention of the Prince of Wales (who was merely the Duke of Cambridge when all of this broke out) to finally do something about him, and how it seems it will take three monarchs from the scandal breaking before any real action is taken on the Andrew problem.

Honestly, I’m starting to see the downsides of both TLQ and Charles — their dithering and non-confrontational approach works to their own detriment.

At this point, I’m genuinely ready for King William to take charge.

We all know that the RF should have taken action against him much sooner and much more decisively. It is pathetic actually; they should have proactively dealt with him at a much earlier stage and not given him the opportunity to make his own statement that he will 'not use' (!) his titles.

They have been forced to do something at every stage. Remember that 150 military veterans had to write to QE2 to ask her to be stripped of his titles.

My presumption is innocence until proven guilty and I like most of I guess don’t know the full facts.

A is never going to be required to stand in a court and give evidence (see the ducking and diving to keep him out of a Civil case) so we can only go on what we do know and what is coming to light now.

The circumstantial evidence is becoming overwhelming

Agree she probably won't want that but could she do it? Even though they're divorced?

I don't think she could. 'Firstname, Duchess of X' is a divorce title. Before the divorce she was HRH The Duchess of York and Princess Andrew.

She can’t; they are divorced.

I think that might have been the first time William was able to put his foot down hard about his wishes - Andrew making a beeline for William so publicly basically begged for the press interest.

Agree she probably won't want that but could she do it? Even though they're divorced?

No. Her title was agreed in the divorce.

Which is why there must be an agreement with her as well as his titles have no impact on her title whatsoever anymore.

I wonder what other revelations will be in VG’s book ? I reckon there are a few sweaty palms this morning !

Wait and see, Daygloboo; Andrew's been around a long time and is likely to know a LOT more than we do, and being a proven liar - like most of the rest - doesn't mean everything he says is false

Associating with known paedophiles ... dubious activities around charities ... selling influence ... middle east obsession ... Charles has done them all, and pushing his brother too far could prove risky

Did he 'take one for the team' and someone powerful in the Epstein circle is bankrolling him?

We don't yet know, Mylovelygreendress, but as I said last night the little they've done with Andrew - already being seen to be mere face-saving - might have served them better if done after the book's release

If it's bad there'll be a call for other measures, and as mentioned so often anything really draconian could be risky

I have no doubt that the RF protect each other. Every single one of them including William. The brand is everything. Any action they take in response to Andrew is window dressing to protect the brand. Nothing more than that.

Charles won’t do anything further regarding Andrew. He’s leaving it all to William, which is why it’s emerged that it was William, alongside the government, who had to pressure him to convince Andrew to cease using his titles. It’s also why it’s now come out that William will be the one to fully exclude him from royal life when he becomes King.

It’s pathetic and weak willed of Charles to shirk the hard decisions and leave the difficult work to his successor, just as the Queen did before him.

Is anyone monitoring Sarah Ferguson's social media accounts to see if she's still referring to herself as a duchess? I don't know where to look.

The Met are launching a probe into allegations that Andrew asked them to dig up dirt on Virginia!

She's now sarahferguson15 on Instagram

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It’s pathetic and weak willed of Charles to shirk the hard decisions and leave the difficult work to his successor, just as the Queen did before him

I agree completely, @EmpressSisi, but then pathetic and weak is what he's so often shown himself to be

It seems to me that "William will change things" is doing a lot of heavy lifting and TBH I'm not all that confident, but time will tell and it's probably not likely to be long

The Met are launching a probe into allegations that Andrew asked them to dig up dirt on Virginia!

Edited to add that won't get anywhere unless the RF want it to - or if there's any risk they'll have those records sealed too