Andrew to lose Duke of York title

[Flixon]

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2.

bloody good job !

Sadly it is her, she was with Ghislaine Maxwell and wearing the same clothes as in the photo with Andrew, unless they are all fake photos.

It’s known in rape trials in this country (I’m in the US) to go after victims and witnesses for the victim. It’s disgusting, they all do it. It’s absolutely shocking though that Andrew was this central to it: that he was the one in the middle coordinating the practicalities of finding her SSN and doing the liaising. And so stupid to commit all this to writing. He really did think nothing would come of any of this. He was far more interested in preserving his relationship with Epstein than literally anything else.

And to get hold of her SSN - that is beyond shocking. I can’t think of the British equivalent: from early teens you tell your children never ever to disclose this to anyone, nobody will ask you for it before going through a process to prove they’re legitimately allowed to ask you. It’s your NI Number plus your case file number with HMRC plus your PAYE number plus your passport number potentially. It’s the key to everything. And he just emailed it around in an effort to besmirch Giuffre. He’s beyond disgusting. First he invaded her body and her psyche, then he invaded the rest of her life. Disgusting man.

And his communication on Friday reminded me of something: his “in discussion with the King” and “we agreed” smacked of Harry and Meghan’s “collaborate with the Queen”. Like Harry he’s placing himself on an equal footing to the monarch. Andrew STILL thinks he’s got this under control. He STILL thinks he’s the good’un here, helping his brother out by not “distracting” people from his work. How can anyone not lol at “honourable”!

And all alongside the reported email to GM asking for info on VG.

Voluntarily putting the baubles into abeyance looking more like a rolled up newspaper tapping him on the nose than ever.

I know I’m quoting myself, but all his actions then and now reek of Virginia being not-a-human-being to him. She wasn’t a person on the same level as his daughters, or in fact any level higher than a “thing”. He used her body for sex, and dumped her when he was done. When she stood up for herself years later, he found her an irritant and went to swat her away, doing whatever it took to get rid of her. He has shown no regret, no remorse, no awareness even of the horrors of the accusations (other than as they impact his own life), nothing to indicate he did anything at all wrong. Like some people, he probably thought she was a willing, consenting adult. He’s not sorry for anything. He has no regrets. The man’s a monster.

Like some people, he probably thought she was a willing, consenting adult. He’s not sorry for anything. He has no regrets. The man’s a monster.

I think its worse than that. He couldn't have cared less wherher she was a consenting adult or not. She was provided to serve him. Just like the maids are provided to arrange his teddies. Not Royal or rich so barely worthy of any consideration apart from to serve him.

Wait, I thought he said he had never met her?

Totally agree. I wonder actually if he might be called a psychopath.

How dare you. You know nothing about me or what I know. Don't tell me to 'educate myself' by reading memoirs of trafficked women. I am trying to make sense of a thread and that some people think a crime might have been committed, when it seems - according to the Met who investigated - that it hasn't. Young women have been tricked into prostitution by a vision of glamour, beautiful and powerful people since bloody Ancient Sumeria. You are making a revolting comment and know nothing about some forms of trafficking. It isn't all smuggling girls from Romania (though that also happens and is vile) and tricking them into prostitution by making it the way they have to pay back their passage (vile); sometimes - often - it's what happend to Ms Guiffre.
You are so ignorant of how the world works I wonder at you.

Mind you, you could say much the same for the current elected President of the USA.

Born.into unearned wealth. Limited intellectual achievements. Friend of Epstein. Dodgy overseas friends.

Great political skills, however. But little in the way of talent or self awareness.

Not a great advertisement for democracy...

I think his actual words were that he "had no recollection of meeting her", which was probably suggested by his legal people as a get-out when it turned out he had

Hardly surprising he's tasked someone with digging dirt on Virginia though; I'd have expected nothing else

I think the same could be said of Trump?

That's not saying it isn't a problem. More that the problems of crazy levels of unearned wealth, male privilege, and insufficient scrutiny affect all sorts of political arrangements.

Boris Johnson is another example in his own way.

I have worked with underage victims of trafficking, the whole gamut - the "you have to pay for your ticket back home", the ones doing it for their "boyfriend", the ones being blackmailed or drugged, and the ones fighting back and being beaten up regularly. All vulnerable young girls being targeted by predatory men that saw them as a commodity to exploit.

I appreciate this experience might be colouring my perceptions.

This is what you said:

she doesn't seem to have behaved as if she was trafficked
She seemed willing
she wasn't constrained in any way whatsoever

Wondering how you know that

Not a moment too soon. To get rid of this slimy, low life,creep and the money grubbing Sarah

His new title could be Prince Andrew. Crown Prince of the Paedophiles

Saw a good post on another thread which said

Women who reached the age of 100 were automatcally sent a telegram by the Queen on their birthday.

Now the get a text from Andrew when they reach 13.

Isn't it also time we got rid of all Royalty in this country. once and for all A really outdated and odd concept which became a really good earner for a bunch of entitled parasites.

That was in response to @Grammarnut

Yes. We need Trump!

Democratically elected.

Definitely not because it's a good earner for an entitled parasite.

Or someone born.into unearned wealth. He was disgusted by Epstein, not a pal for over a decade. Hasn't accepted bribes, including a personal plane (which he will keep after leaving office) from a dodgy Middle Eastern Government.

Thank goodness for elected Heads of State.

I agree that his choice of words and liaison after there had been a conviction was appalling but that does not mean he is guilty

Yes it does. It means he is guilty of what I have pointed out about three times to you
He lied to the British public about when he cut off contact fromJE
Why do you keep saying he is not guilty of this?
@Mimph

He happily downplayed JE's conviction.

As did so many other powerful men. There is a much wider issue here. The license given to wealthy and powerful men to abuse. Andrew. Trump, Clinton, Kavanaugh. Etc.

He'll be gone in 3 years. He is also Head of State. We have to pay for and endure the Head of State's sleazy brother and his ex wife for the rest of their lives.

Hopefully.

What damage is he going to do in the meantime? Just as his Supreme Court appointments from.his last term have overturned Roe vs Wade. Now look like overturning various provisions in the Voting Rights Act so the Republicans can fix voting boundaries to disenfranchise African Americans and win a long term.majority in Congress.

He's been found legally to have committed sexual crimes (let alone the 'grab them by the pussy') comments, and still been elected.

This goes beyond individuals.

The published emails and his interview are a matter of fact so yes he is guilty of that - Are you saying the language used by him in those cases justifies the vilification and vitriolic commentary? @jumpingthehighjump

Unfortunately the good people of the US voted for him knowing who he was so sadly even the ones who didnt vote for him have to live with the decisions ofvthose who did. Because- democracy. We have no choice. I actually have no problem with having a hereditary Head of State. Its ceremonial and makes little difference to anything really. But they need to get rid of the hangers on. Let the Wales kids apart from George go off and do rich kid jobs somewhere else. Be transparent because they are clearly a family too thick and/or greedy to self regulate and behave properly so maybe some scrutiny will save them from.themselves.

This is in part true.
She was given a lump sum of £1.2 million (in today’s money) for a house, but she chose to move in with her ex. The Queen then apparently wanted to give her MORE money for a house to enable/encourage her to live somewhere else, but the Yorks said no to it as the arrangement suited them both.
She also got about £850k in cash and annual maintenance of £35k (in today’s money), plus the daughters got a large sum in trust plus all their school fees paid.
It wasn’t over-generous, compared with what Diana got, but the then Prince of Wales was much wealthier than PA. Also, crucially, she was allowed to continue to style herself as Sarah Duchess of York, and to make money from that title. The Lownie book documents all the commercial deals she made and it’s staggering.

The big issue for Ferguson was her spending. She had a huge staff (I think 17 people?) after her divorce.

Heirs to the throne obviously! They are literally brought up with the aim of preserving the monarchy! I don’t think that’s a difficult concept to wrap your head around 🤣

It’s pretty simple really.

They have done their best to bring the RF into disrepute too, albeit in a different way!

Neither Sarah or Andrew are “innocent”. They have been friends with and accepted money from a convicted paedophile and lied about it! You are deluded now!