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Andrew to lose Duke of York title

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Flixon · 17/10/2025 18:36

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2.

bloody good job !

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TheAutumnCrow · 17/10/2025 19:22

AgentPidge · 17/10/2025 19:05

But the title is given to the second son of the monarch, so shouldn't Harry be given that title now? Or are titles not taken away when the there's a new monarch? I don't know much about this stuff (obviously!).

The title is ‘in abeyance’.

It’s resting.

Traceysgoingtobelivid · 17/10/2025 19:23

He still has the titles, he’s just not going to use them, just like Harry and Meghan don’t use HRH, they are still HRH, to remove the title of Duke it has to go through Parliament.

Peaknique · 17/10/2025 19:23

Tiredofbullsit · 17/10/2025 19:20

He’s surrendering them ‘voluntarily’ so no. Bet he went down kicking and screaming! Wonder if he’ll finally move out of Royal Lodge too?

Well done Charles. This was long overdue. I think they know there are more revelations and he’s jumped at the 11th hour.

He's not surrendering them. He's just not going to use them.

And he will still be Prince.

Indianrollerbird · 17/10/2025 19:23

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/10/2025 19:18

And risk more coming out which may involve other members of the family?

I really don't think so ... putting titles "in abeyance" can be made to look like "doing something" and doesn't cost anything except to Andrew, but other options very well might

Edited

Well the police and CPS are supposed to look at evidence without fear or favour. If they don’t prosecute because of other, third party interests, that have nothing to do with legitimate public interest, as set out within their statutory remit, then they are as corrupt as Prince Andrew.

Tiredofbullsit · 17/10/2025 19:23

Yootoo · 17/10/2025 19:17

I read that too. I find it hard to believe it was all a fiction, especially when a settlement was made.

And Virginia is dead; and all that happens is Prince Andrew gets a slap on the cheek whilst still enjoying his wealth and maintaining his innocence. It sickens me.

A settlement does not imply guilt. It will have been done for reasons of finance and to avoid more negative publicity.

momtoboys · 17/10/2025 19:24

They could not have worked harder for the consequences they are and have faced.

MrsNathanDrake · 17/10/2025 19:24

meercat23 · 17/10/2025 19:17

Who on earth would want that title for the foreseeable future?

Well, quite. Sensible move seems to leave in abeyance until the time comes for it to pass to Louis.

AmethystAnnotation · 17/10/2025 19:24

Peaknique · 17/10/2025 19:22

But his title has not gone. He's just not going to use it.

He has 'renounced' it, meaning he no longer holds it (voluntarily, at least nominally).

diddl · 17/10/2025 19:25

seeing them parading around with privilege and power is insulting

Well that's it really isn't it?

Pushing himself forwards, making himself seen.

I wouldn't care how many titles he had if he would be made to fuck off/keep out of sight.

MasterBeth · 17/10/2025 19:25

meercat23 · 17/10/2025 19:20

She would have to be really hard faced to continue to use it now! The reports are saying she will be known as Sarah Ferguson from now on.

OMG! She's going to be known by her name. How awful for her.

Peaknique · 17/10/2025 19:26

AmethystAnnotation · 17/10/2025 19:24

He has 'renounced' it, meaning he no longer holds it (voluntarily, at least nominally).

He has not renounced it.

Prince Andrew's statement in fullpublished at 19:01
19:01Breaking

Let's bring you the full statement:

"In discussion with The King, and my immediate and wider family, we have concluded the continued accusations about me distract from the work of His Majesty and the Royal Family. I have decided, as I always have, to put my duty to my family and country first. I stand by my decision five years ago to stand back from public life.

"With His Majesty's agreement, we feel I must now go a step further. I will therefore no longer use my title or the honours which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously, I vigorously deny the accusations against me."

AgentPidge · 17/10/2025 19:26

socialdilemmawhattodo · 17/10/2025 19:09

The abeyance part must mean something, but as he has daughters and then male GC I'm not sure how the title would pass down the line.

I don't think that title does pass down to the DofY's descendants - it's given to the second son of the monarch, whoever that is for each monarch (assuming they have more than one DS). That's why I don't understand how it works - you're going to get more than one DofY, unless it's not conferred on the next one until the older one dies. Just like Duke of Edinburgh was conferred on Edward after his dad died.

ifeelsostrongly · 17/10/2025 19:26

I think it achieves quite a lot. While he has those titles he can still use them for business leverage but this sends a really strong message that he’s officially out of favour with the King. By default it’ll remove Sarah Ferguson’s privileges too.

I guess it also sends a subtle message to H & M as well - it says, ‘we can remove titles and if pushed, we will’.

MasterBeth · 17/10/2025 19:26

Tiredofbullsit · 17/10/2025 19:23

A settlement does not imply guilt. It will have been done for reasons of finance and to avoid more negative publicity.

That went well.

Dirty nonce.

Peaknique · 17/10/2025 19:26

MasterBeth · 17/10/2025 19:25

OMG! She's going to be known by her name. How awful for her.

Well if she kept her non-titled married name then she would be Sarah Mountbatten-Windsor, surely?

KeepTalkingBeth · 17/10/2025 19:27

When Prince Andrew arrived at the* *house that evening, Maxwell was more coquettish than usual. “Guess Jenna’s age,” she urged the prince, after she introduced me. The Duke of York, who was then 41, guessed correctly: 17. “My daughters are just a little younger than you,” he told me, explaining his accuracy. As usual, Maxwell was quick with a joke: “I guess we will have to trade her in soon.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/15/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-abuse-epstein-maxwell

‘Prince Andrew believed having sex with me was his birthright’: Virginia Giuffre on her abuse at the hands of Epstein, Maxwell and the king’s brother

In an extract from her posthumous memoir, Virginia Roberts Giuffre remembers the day an ‘apex predator’ recruited her from Mar-a-Lago, aged just 16; how she was trafficked to a succession of wealthy and powerful men – and how everyone knew what was goi...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/15/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-abuse-epstein-maxwell

Vitriolinsanity · 17/10/2025 19:27

Now he needs to fuck off out of the house in Windsor.

Peaknique · 17/10/2025 19:27

ifeelsostrongly · 17/10/2025 19:26

I think it achieves quite a lot. While he has those titles he can still use them for business leverage but this sends a really strong message that he’s officially out of favour with the King. By default it’ll remove Sarah Ferguson’s privileges too.

I guess it also sends a subtle message to H & M as well - it says, ‘we can remove titles and if pushed, we will’.

No titles have been removed.

Indianrollerbird · 17/10/2025 19:27

Tiredofbullsit · 17/10/2025 19:23

A settlement does not imply guilt. It will have been done for reasons of finance and to avoid more negative publicity.

I can’t stand Andrew and think he is guilty as hell, but I have to agree with this post. Settlements are made in civil proceedings every day by people/entities that have done nothing wrong. And people accused of crimes they didn’t commit accept cautions and lesser charges in criminal cases to make it go away. Just look at all the poor innocents who agreed to settlements with the Post Office.

Peaknique · 17/10/2025 19:28

People, try and read!

He has not renounced his titles. They are not in abeyance. He is just not using them.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/10/2025 19:28

Indianrollerbird · 17/10/2025 19:23

Well the police and CPS are supposed to look at evidence without fear or favour. If they don’t prosecute because of other, third party interests, that have nothing to do with legitimate public interest, as set out within their statutory remit, then they are as corrupt as Prince Andrew.

I know, Indianrollerbird, but some of our institutions are no strangers to corruption, and if there's a royal head on the line I'd fully expect it to be exercised

Of course, if Andrew's unable to use his current title, there's always this (other sites are available):

www.elitetitles.co.uk/

meercat23 · 17/10/2025 19:29

AgentPidge · 17/10/2025 19:26

I don't think that title does pass down to the DofY's descendants - it's given to the second son of the monarch, whoever that is for each monarch (assuming they have more than one DS). That's why I don't understand how it works - you're going to get more than one DofY, unless it's not conferred on the next one until the older one dies. Just like Duke of Edinburgh was conferred on Edward after his dad died.

I would hope that Louis might get the title of Duke of Edinburgh in due course. Why should the poor boy be lumbered with a disgraced title. Just let it moulder ad they have done with the Clarence title.

BoudiccaRuled · 17/10/2025 19:29

Bumdrops · 17/10/2025 18:59

She’s still the duchess - what a joke !

She's Sarah, Duchess of York. Similarly, Lady Di became Diana, Princess of Wales upon divorce. No HRH for either of them.
This is why our Megs, styling herself as Meghan, Duchess of Sussex is so odd, she's using the style normally reserved for those divorced from royals. Admittedly she also isn't HRH.

AmethystAnnotation · 17/10/2025 19:30

Peaknique · 17/10/2025 19:26

He has not renounced it.

Prince Andrew's statement in fullpublished at 19:01
19:01Breaking

Let's bring you the full statement:

"In discussion with The King, and my immediate and wider family, we have concluded the continued accusations about me distract from the work of His Majesty and the Royal Family. I have decided, as I always have, to put my duty to my family and country first. I stand by my decision five years ago to stand back from public life.

"With His Majesty's agreement, we feel I must now go a step further. I will therefore no longer use my title or the honours which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously, I vigorously deny the accusations against me."

Same source says he has renounced them:

Andrew to lose Duke of York title
Traceysgoingtobelivid · 17/10/2025 19:30

AmethystAnnotation · 17/10/2025 19:24

He has 'renounced' it, meaning he no longer holds it (voluntarily, at least nominally).

No he hasn’t, he’s just not going to use it, in public anyway, I expect he will still be referred to as HRH by acquaintances, friends and staff.

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