Andrew to lose Duke of York title

[Flixon]

News banner from the Torygraph saying Andrew and Sarah are losing their titles. They will be ‘put into Abeyance’ Andrew also to lose the Order of the Garter. Sarah will be known as Sarah Ferguson, he retains ‘Prince’ as he is the son of HM QE2.

bloody good job !

Sorry, but this is bullshit.

If there was justice, he would be in jail.

As it is, he now hasn't got a load of meaningless, unearned titles. Just like you and I haven't. Except he's fabulously wealthy. How is that justice?

This post is great. You make it sound as though when William is king he is going to send Andrew to the tower and order his head chopped off.

We can but hope.

I agree totally with @MrsLeonFarrell .You’re misunderstanding.

Did anyone read the Lownie book? Full of hot tea on Andrew and Fergie. My favourite bit was the Lady Boys.

If only we were living in the 1500s.

I understand your point. I don't agree with your view of status.

Great. They should have done it a long time ago.
bet the Californian ones a bit more nervous this morning 😝

Why?

lol away. Did you never get anything wrong when you were young? Lol of course.

Edward and Sophie made their mistakes but they got their heads down and are trusted ambassadors for the RF.

Most people in their 80s have worked a lot harder in their lifetimes than the Royals have. The fact that they are easily able to carry out their duties well into their 80's demonstrates its a pretty easy life they lead.

HRTFT but I did wonder if a) there’s more scandal about to come out or b) whether this final resolution is something to do with Charles’ cancer diagnosis, possibly sorting out affairs before William ascends the throne. At least this way c3 is affording his brother some dignity (even if he doesn’t deserve it) because we all know that the second William ascends the throne Andrew will be given the boot unceremoniously and Harry will be full blown exiled.

I suspect parliament have got too much to do than push this through as an official act, hence the “I won’t use them line” but I think Andrew has tainted it so much now that I don’t think it can be passed to Louis, I think it needs to be rested for a generation or two.

I never used the word “justice”. Only little people like you and me are subject to justice…and paying tax and being accountable and paying for our privileges such as they are.

People like royalty, and heads of state, and heads of enormous organisations like churches and political parties and banks and tech companies and tech firms and (shall I go on?) don’t have to worry about justice being meted out to them. This is the closest they will get to it. That’s why he was and still is entitled: he’s going to be really, really pissed off that he’s the one who got caught when they’re all at it and escaping any form of reckoning. He’ll be finding all of this grossly unfair.

All I said was “chickens coming home to roost”. You’re a fool if you think any of them will ever see the inside of a court room let alone a prison (both of these are actually against the literal law, as it currently stands, as defendant / convictee).

If the king were incapacitated he could step in that is why they added two more people a few years ago to try to offset any future power grabs from andrew etc we want him officially diminished and him giving it up voluntarily protects Harry because you can bet as soon as an act of parliament is passed saying they can remove titles people will be calling for the King to go against his own son and remove his title and I dont think Charles can do that

And I think your view is not correct,

I imagine things will need to be in order, Andrew first and the rest of the grifters next

Apparently, yes.

https://middletemplar.org.uk/to-strip-or-not-to-strip-prince-harrys-titles/

(It’s about the other ‘spare’ but the legal principles are the same.)

Would not put it past Fergie to do a real tell all book on the royals, after all, she literally has nothing left to lose and is always short of cash

The thought of Sarah writing this hadn't occurred to me, @lifeonmars; I was thinking mainly of Andrew, but agree it can't be discounted

Of course, in talking about how this will have hurt Andrew, we can't know how it was put to him ... there's a world of difference between "you've been a disgrace so now 'this' is going to happen" and "the unwashed need to be thrown a bone, so how about such-and-such if I make it worth your while?"

They need to take away his counsellor of state status, which I think requires Parliamentary action.

I wasn’t aware there was a competition. The
Duke of Kent had a military career of 20 years. He inherited his title at 6. He’s now 90 and yet to retire, even after a stroke 12 years ago.

The Duke of Gloucester was an architect but had to give that up when his elder brother died young. He’s 81 and his wife is 79.

I don’t know why you feel the need to be nasty about elderly people who could have walked away years ago!

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What would he be in jail for though? He hasn't, as far as we are aware, committed a crime, however dodgy and distasteful his actions.

Giving up his titles and honours might seem insignificant for the average person, but for him, and in the circles in which he moves, it's an enormous and utterly shameful thing to have to do, which hopefully will at last make him realise the impact of his behaviour.

Iirc the Danish Queen removed the titles in order to actually properly slim down the RF and reduce the numbers of people with HRH. It wasnt as some kind of punishment. I doubt Charles will do that, or William, because that would mean his own grandchildren will have to lose their right to a title. It shouldnt just be about Harry. There is an issue with the ' spare' children of the Royals leading an essentially pointless existence that only gets more and more meaningless as they get older. They need to do something about it instead of covering it up and then handwringing afterwards.

Well I haven't failed in two careers my parents got for me.
I'm married to the gender I'm attracted to.
And I don't have a millionaire lifestyle funded by the taxpayer.
You do realise that the 'work' they do (luxury overseas travel, photo-ops and balls etc) is all arranged by their staff?

Didn’t she just. I was out earlier so just catching up so apologies if has been said as I’ve only read up to here, but I’ve said before that only the heir and his/her firstborn be a prince/princess, so in this scenario William and George, & then George’s firstborn as heir. No prince Harry, Princess Charlotte or Prince Louis etc.