Is Meghan a narcissist?

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I keep seeing these reels and social media smears on Meghan being a narcissist and abusive partner to Harry. She certainly doesn't seem overly popular with the royal family or understood the expectations of her as a royal when she married him.

I'm by no means a royalist or a fan of Megan's. But I'm the same age as Harry so always felt I could relate a little to him. I haven't read his book or watched the netflix docs.

The main thing that doesn't sit quite right for me is they wanted a 'private life' and then done anything but. Did Megan use Harry's desire for privacy to isolate him from his family and friends?

There’s an industry level hate campaign against Meghan Markle. I went down a rabbit hole on YouTube last year, whole channels are dedicated to analysing every utterance/hair flick she makes. She definitely exhibits narcissistic tendencies and she tells lies, mainly pointless and easily refuted stories about what she did “after school”, this changes to align with whatever persona she’s trying out that week.

I don’t think any of this proves she’s abusive or any of the other terrible things she’s routinely accused of.

I think she’s a hustler who is determined to stay in the limelight and make money however she can.

A lot of people on mn really, really hate her and will blame her for everything but I don’t think that’s fair or realistic.

Yes she is and yes she did.

If/when the relationship breaks down he’ll be in no man’s land:

Should he stay in America - a foreign country - or should he come home, where he’s shot himself in the foot with his family by writing that book and doing those interviews.

She’ll never bring those children to England and so he’ll likely stay in America just so he can see the kids.

Charles will always love him - it’s his kid - and I’m sure the door with be open to Harry as far as he’s concerned. But as soon as William takes over Harry’s stuffed. William and Kate will never forgive him for what he’s done.

Yes, imo she is. Seeing the lies she has told, especially on Oprah - I found that so sad. She told blatant lies and he just sat there, looking on whilst she badly embarrassed them both. Tragic.

I think the Royal family must by definition be narcissistic they not only think they are superior to everyone they actually have a whole social hierarchy that supports them in that superiority. Do I think Meghan is narcissistic? I think she didn’t fit in and was treated badly and when people are treated badly we don’t generally see their better personality traits.

Honestly who cares what she is like. Directing hate at someone who you have never met, who makes no difference to your life is pathetic. Really get a life. And isn’t it convenient that the hate target is a black female….

Not directed at the OP btw.

Narcissist is one of the most incorrectly overused words in the English language. It’s a clinical diagnosis not just a word to throw at people of whose behaviour you don’t like or don’t approve.

I have never understood the abuse of MM while at the same time people cravenly support our royals many of whom have behaved pretty bloody appallingly in the past - Charles being the prime example of this.

What lies did she tell on Oprah that she felt like the practice ceremony that was private felt like their real wedding? That was a feeling how are people still arguing with a feeling. That she felt there was racism she felt that, again a feeling. I actually don’t see the lies in both of those they are perceptions.

I think the relationship will break down. There is too much history and hard feeling.
As soon as the kids grow up, and show an interest or want to visit their royal family, (they are named Prince and Princess after all, she was happy to take those names despite hating “the institution”), or if Harry even dares describe parts of the royal life, his upbringing etc to the children and in front of Meghan, in a positive and favourable way, he will instantly be in big trouble with her for encouraging them to “move away from her!” You can imagine it quite clearly.

I do think she is a narcissist in its simplest form.

Yes, I think it’s a terrible match, I wonder if Harry could wind the clock back if he would be happier if he’d never met her.

I doubt any of the internet diagnosers even know what a Narcissist is.

It's one of the most over used words on MN.

There's a royal forum section for all this nonsense.

She’s a proven liar and manipulator, whether that tips over into narcissism I don’t know.

There are many behaviours that suggest she may be, or that she displays narcissistic tendencies. Some people do.

It is frustrating that so many arm chair psychologists want to label another person with a personality disorder. It just can’t be done that way.

I can’t speak for Meghan’s mental health, and I really liked her to begin with, I found her beautiful and aspirational. But I agree with others that she is a ruthless operator, she knew what she wanted even pre-royal times, she is constantly changing herself and recycling old stories to project a varying life history depending on the audience, lied to a court about things she leaked via “friends” and has used and bullied people along the way. She has let horrible things be said about Catherine based, even by their own admission, on really minor things like lipgloss and wedding tights, they let the world call her a racist then rowed it back to blame the press and unconscious bias once the damage was done, she let her flying monkeys (Sussex squad) hound Catherine during her illness and never rebuked them. (To be fair, Harry is as much to blame in all this as she is).

It makes me cross to see her breezing around like the Queen bee - such as when she barged Sophie Chandauka off that podium - with so little self awareness and no apology or kindness. I don’t want to see her fail or brought low, but I don’t think I’ve even heard a single world from her mouth that has sounded like humility or apology for anything. I guess that’s maybe where the narcissist accusations come from?

Good post.

I could not agree more about that bloody word. Mumsnetters absolutely love it and misuse it daily.😤

Yes. She wasn’t born with connections and
money. She had had to work for everything she has. I don’t like her as a person but I understand her. The British aristocracy hate that she has married in. However, Harry was given a hovel to live in when he was with Megan and the workers cottage he was later leased was decrepit and he had to fix up using his own money.

I'm old enough to remember the hoopla of Charles and Di & the birth of the two boys, I love princess Di.
Watched the two boys grow up through the media.
Harry was always the cheeky chappie.

As both boys settled down I thought that was it, happy endings for both, so I was shocked at Oprah, Spare, Netflix etc.

I think Harry has deep routed issues and I think Meghan is the driving force behind their "campaign" I believe she thinks shes smart, smarter than Harry, and knows how to keep interest in them which makes them money.

I don't believe shes a narcissist or abusive but I do think it's all been a calculated plan, I do think she's a liar as shes contradicted herself multiple times, her life story constantly changes.

What I really hate is the assumption that we're all racists and that the children wouldn't be safe here without police protection.

Its all really sad, it's telling that Harry flies back when anything happens, death of the Queen, the kings cancer diagnosis.

I can't help but wonder if he's realised what a mistake he's made, burning his bridges with his family.

Labelling Meghan as a narcissist is just putting all the blame on her, Harry is a grown man and should have known better.

Get a life says you on social media. As for her colour, why shouldn't she be judged ? Do you think because she is black she is held to different standards, that she should be allowed to lie, that she should be allowed to cause stress and alarm to an elderly couple in their final months in this world ? Her colour has nothing to do with being a proven liar.

Charles has caused enough stress and alarm in his time.

Exactly! Don't post this rubbish in chat.

It is absolutely impossible to diagnose someone through a few interviews, press reports and opinion pieces, which is all we really know Meghan through. Narcissism, as others have said, is a clinical diagnosis and should remain so, rather than a social media opinion.

She had no intention of fitting into the RF. She set her stall out before the wedding. I don’t think she could believe her luck when Harry fell for her. She came across as completely disingenuous in the engagement interview. Gushing, fake and taking the lead that wasn’t hers to take. At the engagement photo shoot she took the lead. She truly believed she could undo years of royal tradition to make life all about her. She’s bitterly jealous of Kate and I don’t believe for a minute any of them mentioned her colour. That was most likely her poking the race situation with a stick to see if anyone responded. In what we thought was her final act of defiance she took off to the States with poor sap Harry in tow and claimed she wanted a life out of the spotlight which has turned out to be laughable. She’s done a right number on Harry. He’ll be discarded soon like the first husband was and she’s made sure his bridges have been burned. What an incredibly foolish man he’s been.

Agree with this.

I do think they are 2 damaged people (both come from broken homes, she's a divorcée) who don't always bring out the best in each other and who back up each others sense of grievance.

IMO the issues she had in the UK (& with the RF) were more cultural than anything. She didn't understand the role of working Royals, (or the Monarchy itself), she thought she was clever enough to do it differently (and solely for her benefit) and didn't choose to learn anything. Harry was too scared (or too clueless) to inform her.

They both believed their own hype and I don't think either of them can grasp the truth.

I hope they can find roles/jobs/whatever in the US that makes them happy and independent.

They had everything handed to them and they threw a strop. Nottingham Cottage was not a hovel - it was a 2 bedroomed Christopher Wren designed home in the grounda of a Palace in an exclusive area of London, that William, Catherine & Prince George lived in, and also one of the York girls. Frogmore Cottage is actually huge when you see it, very private, again in the grounds of a Castle. It was renovated by the taxpayers, and I'll eat my hat if Harry actually did pay for those costs himself (I think Pa did that for his darling boy). Harry got a sweetheart deal on the lease to begin with. It pisses me off when this sh#te is spouted about hovels etc. Some folk have funny ideas about hovels if that's what they think those properties are!

But then again - that's another false story spread by H&M. I'm not sure either of them are narcissists, but if say they're bloody ungrateful and spoiled.

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No idea. Who cares. But narcissism is one of the most armchair mis-diagnosed conditions there is. It does no favours to the victims of genuine narcissists. It doesn’t mean “someone you don’t like”!