Talks for reconciliation

[LadyJaneGrey18]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14899657/King-Charles-Prince-Harry-aides-meet-London-secret-peace-summit.html

What to make of this??

It has been said before! I am but I feel it will happen... 😂

The monarchy serves at the will of the British people. Given their very low popularity ratings, the British do not want Harry (or Meghan) back on the taxpayer dime, or hanging around like a sour-faced party pooper. Maybe he and Andrew can sod off somewhere together (preferably abroad).

It's you against the courtiers. Please film so we can all watch 😄

QEII sent her favourite 😇

William is focusing on his country, his particular initiatives, and his family. His job does not include nursemaid to his brother.

I have said over and over again that Harry is an adult and capable of hiring a financial planner.

Tracy Kidder, a very respected US writer, just wrote an opinion piece in the NY Times about hunger in the US. As an American, the more I read about H whining about his finances, the more I feel that he has no grasp of reality:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/14/opinion/america-safety-net.html?campaign_id=39&emc=edit_ty_20250714&instance_id=158444&nl=opinion-today&regi_id=85910572&segment_id=201830&user_id=452468ba57c72486319b466e0625019a

Why should Americans respect him? He's pissed away enough money to keep me comfortable for life

They don't mater ultimately. People forget the nation was never going to accept QC as Queen. And Andrew...

I really, really hope that KC111 remains 'faithful' to William and Catherine and puts their wellbeing and feelings before Harry's, it's only Harry who has behaved appallingly .
I do feel for Charles, being somewhat torn between his 2 children, we all love our kids but I know there's been times when I haven't liked mine's behaviour.

No amount of lawyers, recording or documentation can prove a negative. If after Charles death, Harry was to write how William and the grey suits were influencing Charles and not acting in his best interests in his last years (similar to the late Queen) the palace could not prove it did not happen. Not unless Harry gave specifics, which Harry deliberately does not do. A book about William after Charles death would sell the same as Spare. It was only months ago Harry was threatening to carry on fighting or stop fighting with "the gloves off" comment. The closer Harry is in the years to come give him greater credence in future disclosures. Charles cannot give Harry what he wants, to be in William's place in the hierarchy

No they didn't forget. Camilla did the hard yards. Years of lurking in the background, only marrying Charles in 2005 (10 years or so after his divorce), very low key wedding (considering his status), unfailing loyalty to Charles and to the public through service and duty, never putting a foot wrong, never complaining about any of the shit thrown at her all through the years. And she has stepped right up during Charles' cancer, to everyone's admiration. She didn't expect to slot right into the royal family and royal life straight after the massive scandal of Charles' divorce.

The shit show that is Harry and Meghan is entirely of their own making. A few years of self reflection might be in order before they get rewarded with royal life again (if ever), don't you think?

At an even simpler level - if you don't meet with them ever again, they have nothing to say about you.

H has been revealed as a liar. KC3 could behave impeccably for a week in H's company at Balmoral and still have H badmouth him. If he doesn't spend the week with him in the first place, H can't say owt.

Is this what is known as manifestation? 🤔

Yes, Meghan does this a lot with all her planted news stories.

When you look through the lens of bitterness and envy the world gets skewed?

QC isn't of royal blood, KCIII was determined to marry her, and Diana died. She has only a 42% approval rating even now. Andrew's worst behaviour happened once PW had started creating heirs. Very different cases to H, who is a threat to the UK - quasi Royal tours, incapable of keeping confidences, manipulated by a woman who hates the UK and the Royal family. Plus H is in his early 40s so has decades left to do damage. Plus the threat to the UK will create opposition from the government to a return by H. The courtiers do matter. The principals are the public front but the courtiers are powerful.

You put it well previously: those who support the monarchy are generally not keen for Harry to return, or even be rehabilitated.

Anti- monarchists tend to like Harry, for completely crazy reasons since without his connection to it, Harry is…well, what is he even for?

It’s depressing for monarchists like me because I see no good outcome. If H doesn’t get what he wants he’ll remain a thorn in W’s and Catherine’s sides for ever. And what he wants just isn’t possible.

I wish he’d go away and stay away!

As I wrote, this will take a long time!

I think KC insisting on her being there was one of the reasons H didn’t want to meet him when his illness was first diagnosed.

Was it the King insisting on her being there, or H insisting on her not being there? Not quite the same thing.

I think Harry's behaviour towards Camilla might be the deciding factor. The King might want to be reconciled with his darling boy, but not to the extent of tolerating insults towards his darling wife. Who has given steadfast support to the King and service to the country.

Unfortunately for Harry he doesn’t have a long time, Charles is probably the only one who will consider some sort of contact but Charles is elderly and on top of that he has cancer, sad as it is he in unlikely to live to his mother’s age, Harry’s future in the Royal family is up to William and he knows it hence the panic of wanting a reconciliation now before the door is firmly shut in his face.

Harry says that Charles won't take his calls , what has Harry done though , to improve the situation ,to make Charles change his mind? I guess the passing of time softens people , also Charles illness must have had some impact on his thinking and can understand the how upsetting it must be to know your children are estranged from each other, but if he does want contact with Harry, I hope he doesn't pressure William to do the same.

I don’t even see how he can have a real personal relationship going forward with Charles, the last time Harry flew over was on his mercy dash when Charles announced his cancer and then Harry was talking about their meeting the next day on Good Morning America!

Do Harry and Meghan strike you as the patient type?

When does Harry begin to put in the groundwork as after the BBC interview he certainly doesn't seem ready yet, he's still in lash out mode. It's strange Harry originally said he would only accept reconciliation with an apology but he doesn't have the ability to see that they may feel exactly the same. The same with William, when his children's clothes are appearing on meghans shop page it's not a great sign for his children's privacy.

And let us all not forget that Harry told the world via the BBC not 3 months ago that Charles is the one standing in the way of RAVEC providing him with security. So implying that Charles wants to put him in danger. Why on earth would Charles want to reconcile with someone willing to say such dreadful, shitty, paranoid things about him? How can he trust Harry not to twist any face to face meetings into similar fodder for the press? Answer: he can't.

Harry is a complete idiot who makes the same mistakes time and time again with no thought for the future consequences!
while the queen was alive , he slagged off everyone else ( failing to understand that to the queen, the monarchy was her) , now Charles is king , he’s attempting once again to slag everyone else off instead ( forgetting that the others are his family) , he seems incapable of actually realising that if we can see this pattern, then his family surely have too! .
does he not realise that Charles isn’t going to live as long as the queen did! , continuing to slag off William the future king is just idiotic!
when William is king who’s next? , no one it’s the end of the line and Harry’s completely blown it.

I hope he doesn't pressure William to do the same.

Me too, this really (to use a well worn Mumsnet saying) grinds my gears! We don’t force women to stay with their abusive husbands and vice versa but for some reason if it’s a sibling who is doing the abusing and causing mental distress the sibling is supposed to just put up with it, smile sweetly and roll over for the rest of their lives, no parent should put that emotional pressure on their child just to make their lives easier, it’s incredibly selfish and undermines the sibling’s feelings and experiences as if they don’t matter, I hope Charles loves William, Catherine and the children far too much to expect that of them.