Talks for reconciliation

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14899657/King-Charles-Prince-Harry-aides-meet-London-secret-peace-summit.html

What to make of this??

Why does the HALO Trust still exist? When the war in Angola stopped over 20 years ago, why are there still mines?

Why are they sending local women to clear these mines when there is drone and robot technology to do this?

Why are Angolans poor when it is a mineral rich country (billions via the diamond industry)?

Is Angola being use for the sort of green colonialism being deployed by organisations like African Parks, that inevitably comes and the expense of the local populace?

What money is exchanging hands with Prince Harry, not just via Halo but through his other Africa based charities? Does this make him a security risk and open to potential blackmail and bribery?

Will the mine problem in Angola be suddenly solved, just when the USAID money has run out? And who is in the running to grab that cleared land?

All good questions Randy , but as usual, the answers never seem to see the light of day !

@CoffeeCantata I agree , I'd be furious if I were William and Charles allowed Harry back in on any basis other than a purely private arrangement. Charles is obviously very fond of Catherine, I just can't see him betraying her in this way.

Quite - it would be a betrayal of both William and Catherine, and I can't see Charles doing that however much he's a silly old sentimental, guilt-ridden father.

I think what we ask of the monarch and their family in the 21st century, with all the loss of deference and the protection that gave, and the vile social media and press intrusion, is huge. I'm a constitutional monarchist and my only concerns about the continuation of the institution aren't based on resenting the so-called privilege and perceived out-modedness of it, but rather the massive ask that someone dedicate their life (until death) to the role, living an exemplary public life and performing high-level tasks which must be got right.

I couldn't do it. I get that some people are republicans, and I respect sensible, well-informed republicans, but the sort who think it's an easy gig, with loadsamoney and just parties all the time...not so much.

Therefore I think for a modern man like William, who's been to a relatively normal school (not home-tutored) and seen how the comfortable middle-class lives (the Middletons), and who has been through the last few traumatic years, I think he could be easily pushed over the edge if KC made concessions to Harry. It's like the story of the Prodigal Son all over again! Why would he bother?

Harry has contracted for another three years. Wonder what this means .

Its not just Catherine William needs to be concerned about, but George and Charlotte and eventually Louis. We already know they are not off limits. Charles at his heart would want the crown to survive. Charles would not want George's privacy risked for the likes of a new Scobie appearing with sudden insights in the raising of the waleses children. Those obsessed with rivalry usually are as competitive with their children.

It's not up to H or the King. The RF undertake official foreign visits at the behest of the government

Tom Bower's Rebel Prince is a good read on that one, @HonoriaBulstrode, especially concerning the goverment's futile insistence that Charles spend more time visiting the Commonwealth than the various middle east nations he prioritised for their donations

There's a reason why the late Queen had to downright ask the Commmonwealth to make him their next head ...

My personal opinion on it is this…the king is a lot more unwell that we have been allowed to know and this is Harry trying to sure up his family’s titles before the inevitable happens. We all know exactly what William will do when he becomes king and it doesn’t involve forgiveness and kissing and making up.

I certainly think that H & M are panicking about William's accession, whenever that will be, and I hope it's a way off yet for both KC's and William's sake.

But I think it's more likely that, at pps have said, they're after money - securing legacies etc - at the moment, and also trying to 'keep the plates spinning' with their royal adjacency (is that a word???). They're beginning to realise they're worth very little without that connection, however much they've attacked and rubbished the RF in the past.

I think Megxit was actually a blessing in disguise for the Wales’ children. If H and M felt aggrieved at W and K’s perceived better treatment, I can only imagine the bitterness they would feel towards the children as the years went on. There has been lots of speculation and stories about M being horrible to Charlotte at the fittings for the bridesmaid dresses. I don’t know if they are true but her bridesmaid dress was a disgrace and it does make me wonder.

Charlotte’s bridesmaid really was shoddy. There’s a reason Clare Waight Keller is at Uniqlo now. Sarah Burton (formerly of McQueen and who designed Catherine’s wedding dress) is now at the helm of Givenchy, who made Charlotte a bespoke dress for Wimbledon on Sunday. Almost like the brand is trying to make amends for the situation!

What does it mean - a “contract” with Prince Harry? A contract does not sound very charitable - more like something involving money.

or a hitman !

As a PP posted on the previous page @MaturingCheeseball , the HALO trusteeships are paid positions. Frankly these sorts of "charities" are nothing more than ciphers for public money (like USAID) and political maneuvering. They use the vulnerable as a human shield.

Oops! Bridesmaid dress (sorry!)

I'm trying to catch up on what's come to light since those lucky, lucky paps just happened to catch a set of unknowns in a ten minute sit at an out of the way bar but....

I think this is Harold's attempt to force Papa's hand before it's too late, get some kind of public recognition of a 'reconciliation' and hence back W into a position where he's forced to support him at a minimum financially on becoming king or risk the PR disaster of publicly throwing out his sick Papa's patch-up with his darling boy.

I think it must have been Steve Burton, the New York based photographer who snapped Meredith or whatever her name is arriving at the club, who got the balcony shot. He obviously wasn't just in the right place at the right time by sheer coincidence.

I don't understand what either party gets out of this strategy. H&M just look like the untrustworthy leakers they are if it's them. The Vintage Read has speculated that it is Charles "weather ballooning" public opinion on making peace with Harry. I would hope that is perfectly clear to BP by now - those who actively care about the RF do not want Harry back as a working royal, a half in, half out or any which way, or as a burden on the taxpayer. If he cares at all about William, whatever Charles is up to must centre the long term strategy of protecting the Crown and allowing William's reign to be free of all the previous generations' fuck ups with Harry.

@RandyRedHumpback I know the Halo positions are paid - my comment about the “contract” was rhetorical which I don’t think came across.

The wording of the statement really makes it clear it’s a business arrangement and not a diplomatic or out of the kindness of Harry’s heart endeavour.

Is it not that the Angolan president has given HALO a contract for another 3 years?

Oh yes, you are correct, it's Angola contracting with HALO.

@MaturingCheeseball my apologies.

As I said above, orgs like HALO are ciphers for aid money. I would love to see how Angola is spending it in reality. I wonder if the "contract" means that the land being "cleared" is out of bounds for other interested parties - maybe its original owners. And once "cleared" who gets to grab it?

China, I’ll be bound @RandyRedHumpback . Apparently they are on a complete spending spree in Africa. Whilst Western nations are hopping around talking about green issues with African countries, China is steaming in with the readies and no negotiations surrounding conservation and so on.

If I were advising William, I'd be putting pressure on pa to agree a full and final settlement with H in his will so I could make a clean break with H post-funeral. Harsh, but the institution comes first and H is capable of taking up an awful lot of time.

The supposed content of the meeting was all 100% to create the best conditions for H&M next commercial venture. It was not 'personal' or family. It is reported (if accurate) to be about aligning communications etc. I think PH is launching something commercial in September?

But there may be some common ground around a 'thawing' of a fued? So the 'leak' may have benefited both parties and would explain the scheduling to post Wimbledon and Macron?

However - the BRF institutional suits will have ahd many brains strategising the H&M situation with info from intelligence services for years - and it will always be the the long game to protect the institution. H&M have not and will not 'win' anything. I suspect H&M need the royal adjacency for their brand reputation to earn $$$$ in the short term.

I suspect this meeting was just the men in grey suits throwing them a bone until the divorce.

I see no future for PH in any public capacity with the BRF - he is dysregulated and volatile as seen in the very recent BBC interview. However they will need to keep close on a personal and family basis.

I can well imagine him lobbying for $$$$ at any opportunity as well as collecting ammo for his next book/documentary/ whatever.
He’s a loose cannon, proven to be untrustworthy, untruthful, unreliable and avaricious. Who on earth would ever consider it appropriate for him to be given a royal tour?!

This would be the best result all around. Fingers crossed.