Opinions may Vary . A genuine question about why Meghan and Harry seem to attract such differing views.

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I post this more in hope than experience but I would be really interested in a proper discussion about those who are fans or supporters of them , those who aren't and indeed ( of which there are many ) , those who are indifferent.

So - I'll start. There was an interesting post on another thread which said M&H come over as David and Goliath , standing up against "the Institution" - my paraphrase.

No spitting , no fighting , mind the furniture 😂

Really? That wasn't apparent. Have a look at my post above, noting the popularity of their marriage from...the tabloids!
Harry did not have to warn off the press about Meghan, no-one knew who she was. I have no idea why they chose to spread that false story.

Again I have never read anyone saying on here she was never English enough.

I remember a lot of the press at the time of the engagement was saying what a wonderful, stylish, modern, breath of fresh air Meghan was - and called Catherine frumpy and boring in comparison. She had a tremendous amount of positive press.

That statement was met with much bemusement it was back when no one had a clue who she was, apart from the very few who watched suits.
it was only at that point did the British public realise he was with someone he was serious about. I’d not seen or heard anything about him dating anyone

You're right - that's how I feel. It's so strange how it's turned out, they both seemed so different! I certainly bought the idea that he was a decent man, and she was a bright, strong woman.

I went to the Windsor on the day of the wedding it was heaving with nothing but people celebrating and getting excited

Oh my god, that was awful, and some of threads on here were vile.

What kind of doubt? The doubt in your own mind that you have run away or won't answer and you feel you need to keep your side up? 😂 Jesus 😂

The thing is your reputation moves with you from thread to thread ( I don't just mean you) but when people have made odious comments in the past they are remembered and it taints their opinions going forward. Ask Meghan.

Even from watching on TV, you could see what a popular and happy event it was.

However. Anyone who thinks that the way KP handled Catherine’s cancer narrative was straightforward and simple and made life as easy as possible for her and her family must not have been paying attention

I suspect the way it was handled is exactly how Catherine and William wanted it handled, as was their right.

And the King - he knows what’s expected of him because he’s the King and went along with it.

It’s obvious everything was done in a way to protect George, Charlotte and Louis whilst the King didn’t have any young children to worry about so his illness could be handled differently. Then there’s also the distinct possibility the King also announced his cancer in order to deflect attention from Catherine.

You can look back through the engagement photos threads, mixed response I would say. Some people really liked her, some really didn’t.

Must do because I'm in UK and on here at time and bar a very few odd nasty headlines which most condemended at time - everyone seemed very pleased and excited for them.

After the wedding they were due at a nearby event - they were late and from people there I heard very rude - and yet many people were still disppointed to not see more. People were interested and excited by them.

It just feels like a concerted effort to re-write history I actually lived - yet more bloody lies from them and their supporters - dissing UK ( which does has many problems) to sell themsleves to the US market more - and fuck the damange that does to UK as a whole. It's like them moaning they were forced to have a big wedding we tax payer helped foot bill for - no they bloody weren't - you wanted it even bloody grander. It makes me slip from indifference to dislike TBH.

Just came on to say the same thing. That statement came out of left field. I would be interested to know if @LemondrizzleShark can point to the press in question that prompted the statement.

Charles like Catherine has not told what cancer it is, but no one seemed to care what cancer and hardly any speculation. Charles unlike Catherine didn't have to consider telling young children. Other than that I'm not sure what makes it complicated other than Catherine being a woman who also took the brunt of the racism rumours for the same reason. In fairness Meghan has this as well, it was Harry who began the royal family is racist until he then decided that it was the media but Meghan has received criticism.

I don't recollect much negativity. The threads on here, like the UK press, were very positive about them.

I think the fact that she was different and not English got a lot of people onboard actually. I don’t think most people would have been particularly interested if he had married Chelsey for example. It was the fact that that Meghan was from a fairly normal background that made people interested. At the time we didn’t realise she was so manipulative and narcissistic.

@CatHairEveryWhereNow - "a concerted effort to rewrite history"
Very true. The narrative of the support from the people and press in the UK is one they will suppress and deny because it doesn't suit their victim narrative.

Exactly. She seemed really modern and different. "A breath of fresh air" was a common response.

Ok, here are a few quotes from the engagement photos threads. All from one page, so not cherry-picked. Not racist, but definitely not all positivity and love:

Fekko · 21/12/2017 21:15

No way! How, just how? I thought that Ivanka trumps oven ready turkey dress hit a new height in ostentatious frocky-horror.
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· 21/12/2017 21:15

Hmmm, the photos look very ‘American’ to me - very posed and not believable.

KiaOraAura · 21/12/2017 21:50

I laughed when I saw them. Ridiculously posed looking, especially that black and white one with her hand on his face. Looks like a Christmas advert for H Samuel.

ElizabethG81 · 21/12/2017 22:26

£56,000, fucking hell. I'm getting Marie Antoinette vibes.
The photos look like they're straight out of an ad campaign, Harry's even been practicing the Blue Steel look.
They're just another pair of rich twits, but they're going to try to lord it over us all with their "we're here to change the world" bollocks, while wearing couture gowns in the middle of the day.

Do explain why you keep referring to Catherine’s cancer as a “narrative “, only hers never Charles .
im assuming you are aware of the technical meaning of the term “narrative “ .
also why was it complicated?
she was unwell, had surgery and they discovered cancer.
your words seem to be alluding to this being a “ complicated “ story!
are you attempting to frame this as untrue?

I wasn’t on MN at the time and all I can say is I and everyone I knew was excited and pleased for him .there are always some people who will have had a different view. I did start to feel uneasy when I watched the engagement interview and the photo call. I tried to ignore that .

I wouldn't have commented on the engagement photo threads because I was still giving her the benefit of the doubt at the time but they were both (the on the day announcement one and the official one) very odd.

I started off excited by the idea of Harry marrying Meghan - I totally bought the idea of the Fab Four and thought it was going to be nice for Kate to have another outsider in the fold with her - someone to discreetly roll eyes with at the weirder traditions and protocol etc.

So all the initial red flags I shrugged off as it being because she was American and used to the celebrity circuit.

That really odd pose she did for the outdoor engagement announcement press call - the very cringy engagement interview - the official engagement shoot where Harry is in smart casual and Meghan is wearing a $75,000 evening gown - I remember thinking it was odd but just teething issues with a new situation.

All the wedding drama in the tabloids I assumed was just the tabloids stirring. I thought the bump holding was very 'hollywood performative' but again mostly tabloid fodder.

I did start to feel uneasy when they did all the weird shenanigans around Archie's birth, and thought the "no one asks me if I am okay" interview was a very bad idea.

I was disappointed at the initial announcement of Megzit and officially the end of any Fab Four option, and I was astounded by the website they published - it was clearly going to end in tears.

The Oprah interview was my wake up call - that manipulative performance by Meghan was the start of seeing her in a very different light.

@LemondrizzleShark are they the worst?.
Not racist.
"The photos look very American to me" really?
That's a bad comment?!
Have a look at my post upthread with the wedding pictures. All positive.

Totally agree . This is exactly how I felt too.