Opinions may Vary . A genuine question about why Meghan and Harry seem to attract such differing views.

[BasiliskStare]

I post this more in hope than experience but I would be really interested in a proper discussion about those who are fans or supporters of them , those who aren't and indeed ( of which there are many ) , those who are indifferent.

So - I'll start. There was an interesting post on another thread which said M&H come over as David and Goliath , standing up against "the Institution" - my paraphrase.

No spitting , no fighting , mind the furniture 😂

Yes I know. And yes I know.

I quite like Harry from my brother’s experience of working with him in the forces. Said he was lovely, no sirs and graces plus mucked in with everyone else.

However, this must be 15-20 years ago now or possibly longer (I am old)

Catherine has obviously just decided to go down the non-controversial , adhering to protocol line ( and in her position rightly so, I think)

Well I guess somebody had to, @BasiliskStare
With the possible exception of Anne, few of the others have followed the Queen's own non-controversial line, and maybe it's about time someone did

That's interesting, because he did come across better then. I saw an interview with him when he was on active duty, and there was none of the petulance and arrogance on display.

Yes - very North Korea! Absolutely NO dissent is tolerated (and I've tried to post, with no success). What I mean by dissent is very different from MN. If any poster makes the slightest, slightest criticism of Meghan they are set upon. I mean - if they think, for eg, that she should have worn her hair a bit shorter...OMG. It's horribly fascinating from a psychological viewpoint, and a different planet, thank God.

On Celebitchy these truths are held to be inalienable:

William hates Catherine, is always looking for a chance to divorce her, regularly uses his fists on her (they spot the new scars) and is having an affair with both Rose Hanbury and Rose's husband, the Marquess of Cholmondely. Oh - recently he's also in a sexual relationship with Jason Knauf (the PR chap who first alerted William to Meghan's bullying of staff at KP).

Camilla and Charles hate Catherine too, and are trying to manoeuvre Rose into her position.

Catherine and Charles are racists of the KKK type. They hate all non-white people.

Catherine is a mean girl and spends her whole life copying Meghan. She cruelly bullied Meghan out of the RF and out of the UK.

William is ugly and bald (no irony there at all) and is so aggressive as to be a public liability. Photos of William and Catherine are always the most unflattering they can lay their hands on.

No-one ever turns out to see the royals. The streets are empty, except for Not My King protesters.

Camilla is an evil drunk.

Salty Island (the UK) is a ridiculous place full of deeply oppressed and angry people where racism is worse than anywhere in the world.

The Sussex Squad are good guys and will see no bullies hurt Meghan.

The bullying allegations against Meghan are totallly unfounded and the result of attempts to vilify her by the RF, as are all negative stories.

Life in Montecito is pure paradise, and they fantasise about how well Doria and Diana would have hit it off, chasing those children around the garden.

Harry is the most handsomest prince of all, and he's even more marvellous because he's white.

And more...thank you for reading if you got this far!!

Harry is the most handsomest prince of all, and he's even more marvellous because he's white.

There's some inverted racism and self hatred right there. They think Meghan hit the jackpot for getting a white man.

Or as I’ve seen him called ( even on mn )
“ good king Harry “ 🙄

I've heard interviews with some of the long term press pack - who said similar - they though he really was happy and helpful no airs and graces - they seemed utterly belwildered at change in him.

I don't think he's ever liked the press - understandably- and I think they knew that - but that was impression they got on royal tours.

Yet his own words and actions show a very different character - petulant wanting deference - and yes as PP say with a streak of malice.

I think Meghan could be one of those people who nice to peers and above or anyone who might be useful and not so nice to anyone else - maybe he was as well or somethings happened to make him very nasty version of himself - and I know people blame Meghan but he's a grown man - into middle age now.

Definitely - it’s really sad and says so much about some of these super-fans and the way that Meghan embodies a sort of fairytale fantasy for them.

I don’t “like” them - I’d never hang out with them in real life etc.

But I can see that a lot of the coverage of Meghan was very racism in tone (and also quite anti-American - it was sometimes hard to work out where one started and the other finished with all of the “why doesn’t he marry a lovely blonde English rose like Lady Sarah Poshname, sister to William’s polo buddies and cousin of the Queen’s former lady in waiting?” articles).

From what we have heard from Harry’s previous girlfriends, and what we have heard about Kate’s treatment at the hands of William’s friends (all the “waity-Katie doors-to-manual” stuff) I can well believe that Meghan had no idea what she was walking into, and had an extremely rough ride. I don’t blame her for wanting out, and I think it speaks well of Harry that he supported her to walk away - if Prince Charles has supported Diana that well, her mental health might have been a bit better.

Harry is and has always been a whinging self-pitying toff (as far as I can tell, his dad, brother and uncles all are too) - strangely nobody minded that until he married Meghan.

Since they have left, yes they have been quite grabby, but lots of American celebs and influencers are massively grabby, and that doesn’t generate daily threads of hatred on here. I’m not a fan, but the sheer level of sustained vitriol far outweighs her actual crimes. Even when she had her head down, there were people on here speculating about why she was being quiet and what nefarious plan to upstage Kate she might be cooking up in her villainous lair. It’s all a bit unhinged.

This is a belief held by many black women I have encountered during my lifetime in various communities . They see a white man as a step up. They will have lighter children. It echoes the feelings that they have about many black men and their alongside other families. They think they will have a better life. They don't think much of black men. Please note before anyone jumps: this is my lived experience. I'm not being racist. It's what I've been told as recently as a few months ago by a former student.

Awful, and the way they talk about the colouring of the children and the genetics of Diana. Awful.

@LemondrizzleShark this notion of why didn't he marry an English rose - I've never heard anyone saying this. The country was excited for Harry's marriage .

Exactly. It was an incredibly popular match. Wherever they went, they had huge crowds turn out to cheer. You only need to look at their wedding carriage ride to see what a popular marriage this was, and how the UK people supported them.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/the-royal-wedding-how-the-uks-newspapers-reacted-to-meghan-markle-and-prince-harrys-nuptials-a3843861.html
If you look at all these front pages, you will see overwhelming positivity and support for them.

I see yet again @curlewkatethat you have chosen to ignore the complicated cancer story you ran with . People don't forget.

I'll be really honest, I felt a bit sorry for Meghan marrying Harry. She seemed like she had a decent career and we were told how bright and marvelous she was, but the engagement seemed rushed. Harry was a bit of a dim bulb in comparison and as stated before, I've never much liked Harry, he seems like a total liability

I do try to ignore it-particularly when it’s being dragged from thread to thread. However. Anyone who thinks that the way KP handled Catherine’s cancer narrative was straightforward and simple and made life as easy as possible for her and her family must not have been paying attention. Unlike Charles-his was a positive masterclass in PR.

This is the confusing thing. I thought he was great before everything went wrong. I was delighted he had found this strong, sparky woman who he adored. I watched the wedding and wished them well. I think he’s a completely different person now. It’s quite bizarre.

And for the avoidance of doubt, I’m going to go and watch the tennis. I will be back later.

Not denying or defending any attacks on Meghan which were actually racist, but frankly if she’d been French, I can just imagine the Froggie jokes or if she’d been German, they be Heiling and Snell, snelling and rooting about to see if her grandparents had been active Nazis.

Racism is never OK but the press are awful in these situations and would have made anyone’s life hell on some pretext…even an English Rose’, as we saw with Diana - and Kate.

Recollections must vary then. Harry had to put out a statement warning the tabloids off, when they were first dating and before they were even engaged. He didn’t have to do that with Chelsy Davy. Plenty of threads on here once they were engaged, bitching about her not being English enough.

Catherine is KP. She's one of the principals. She handled it how she wanted to in the best way for her and her children The fact that people like you lost your mind over it is your problem, not hers.

@LemondrizzleShark
“”I don’t blame her for wanting out, and I think it speaks well of Harry that he supported her to walk away”

She didn’t want out . They wanted to make money using their titles whilst retaining all the perks such as 24/7 security.

They were told no .

Yep, I’m (genuinely) sure they would have been awful to a white British fiancé too - they were awful to Kate before Meghan appeared to take the pressure off.

Just as they were awful to Diana until Fergie appeared. And they were quite vile to Fergie.