H&M Fathers Day video

[Bickybics]

So they are showing faces now, how long until they are including them in everything, showing them fully.
I feel like this is a bit desperate now. It was their last card to play, the children. They’re trying anything now for attention, what do they have left, showing private videos of them after all the criticism about the Wales children being on display.
One thing about them is they always surprise me.

I read the article mentioned above and my first thought was well how is pictures with blanked out faces going to help the King see what he’s missing?

Then I thought what a nasty piece of work Harry is to do this.

Not that I believe it’s true. I suspect the whole article is made up because I’m pretty sure that Harry and Meghan will be playing this like the pro’s they are and will be regularly sending pics etc so they can say to the children - we never stopped trying to communicate with your Grandpa.

Pictures and the odd email sent directly to the King/his private secretary saying what the children have been up to are their receipts.

That's a good point.

I can underhand why Meghan disabled comments but I thought Instagram revenue worked on interaction and I am not surejust allowing likes brings enough to attract sponsors.

Or maybe she isnt looking to generate revenue and like many people just have an instagram account to share what they want to 🤷‍♀️

@Tezza1 I'm sorry I upset you but just 😍.

I'd heard of Malcolm Savile and now feel my finger hovering over buy now on his many, many books. I love Shropshire (one side of the family from there back to the mists of time) but don't think I've ever got to Wroxeter either (nicked my username from Housman, Shropshire Lad XXXI)

Yes to Norah Lofts (why is she out of print?) and yes to the white knuckle over the Mynd.

That could be true

Whatever the truth in these matters one things for certain those poor kids are stuck in the middle.
Either the king won’t speak to them and is sulking, or their parents are unhinged neither choice is particularly helpful when trying to raise kids.

True. She wants to share images of private family life , her choice. She'll get lots of clicks, as a bonus.

Harry is clearly dealing the DM though.

The kids are stuck in the middle because Harry and Meghan choose to put them there. They refuse to bring the children to the UK on spurious security grounds. They were playing this game when Elizabeth was still alive, and they rejected spending time with the family in Balmoral before her death, so this DM article is nothing new. And it's also a complete croc of shit that a public instagram reel, used effectively as a form of emotional blackmail, somehow waives or excuses everything H&M have said about the kids' privacy and that they are somehow the victims in their own breach of their own privacy. As usual with them, it's all DARVO.

Ooh the irony that Harry is planting and leaking to the DM.

That is an absurd explanation - clearly there has been some backlash to merching the kids.

Also if he wanted is dad to see photos who not send them direct - I'm sure he has a number for the King's private office even if not a direct line.

... also didn't Meghan used to say they had zoom calls together? So was that a lie?

Briefing this PR "story" to the DM - a newspaper he is still suing for invading his privacy - is really odd.

Far simpler for Harry and the children to visit his Dad than the other way round. Nothing at all to stop Harry jumping on a plane with the kids is there? Well, Meghan.....

Does anyone remember Malcom Saville?

Loved Malcolm Seville when I was young. Tried to re-read recently and couldn't get into them. I agree he did a lot to raise the profile of Shropshire, I don't think any other author has used it so much as a setting.

It's a toss up which twins are more annoying - the Mortons or the Marchwoods.

H may or may not have briefed the Mail. He certainly gave the interview in which he talked about his father's possible life expectancy. He can't really be surprised that his father won't talk to him. Plus why should Charles put himself through a scene with a lot of ranting and insults? His doctors have probably told him to avoid stress as much as possible.

Back in the time of H8, it was treason to talk about the possible death of the king. I wonder if that piece of legislation is still lurking on the statute book, just forgotten about.

I would not characterise Charles as 'sulking' about any of this. I think he's been angry, frustrasted and grieved at different times. Harry's behaviour has meant that trust is really difficult and the monarch, and very senior royals, have long only allowed a small circle of highly trusted people around them. Harry is no longer one of them (somebody who can be trusted). That's not sulking.

I'm defending Charles here (and criticising Harry, I suppose, as untrustworthy) so I'll share something else I also think, for balance. I think Charles was quite a remote parent and I do think he spun the 'Harry takes drugs' story when he was about 17, 18, for his own advantage as much as possible. I think he felt the story was out there anyway so he might as well position himself in the best light possible as a 'caring and involved' parent. So, I don't think Charles was the perfect parent but I also think he really can't trust Harry now. The reason these discussion boards are interesting is because of nuance.

As an aside, I don't post but I've been reading Royal Dish for about 12 years and the term 'sugars' has been around for longer than I've been reading it. I like following all the European royal families and my favourite royal (despite me being British) is Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden (despite some of her fashion choices!). Royal Dish decided years ago that they didn't want to host discussion on Harry and Meghan so that was when I went looking for other royal boards.

😂

Well, there's the rub. Harry could suggest/ask that they (he and the children at least) come over and meet other family members at Balmoral in the summer - plenty of notice for RAVEC, high security already in place and easy for the King to ensure privacy (no film crews etc. he could even bug the place himself if he really wanted to track everything that's said!)
Waleses could bring their children for a couple of days to meet their cousins, so could the Tindalls/ B and E etc al. Other family members could stay nearby and not under the same roof (doesn't Charles have his own place they could use?), they could plan in lots of other activities that meant they weren't alone with H and focus primarily on the children. It could work. I think C and C have more than enough nous to dodge being alone with Harry, attend 'engagements' and invite non-family members to dinner so there are no opportunities for personal conversations, then retire early citing old age and infirmity, thus avoiding being 1:1.
But I doubt any of that's going to happen because it doesn't fit the Sussexes' narrative, does it? Harry, at least, isn't really interested in finding a solution when he can just bleat about how hard done by he is in the hope that his family capitulate.

Yes Lunde, you are correct, there was a claim made by H or M that they had video calls with Charles and also the Wales children. And the DM ran a story this time last year that Charles was keen to establish a relationship beyond the video calls they were already having. Plus the usual rumours that the Sussexes would come to Balmoral that summer.

I honestly think KC has been given advice to avoid as much stress as he can while dealing with the cancer treatments. He knows as soon as Harry gets a reception, Harry will use to try and get something he wants. There’s always a request,ask, demand. Harry is a user and so think it’s best to avoid him. Until Harry realises that if he wants a relationship with his father- it can’t be a transactional one.

I don’t think Harry can help himself though. There will always be something he will want to complain about etc.

I thought KC hasn’t looked well the last couple of days. It’s all taking its toll I fear. The last thing he can handle is Harry on top of it all.

Kate too, pulling out last min. She obviously still has her health issues. So no one on the family will care for Harry when everyone else has very real problems.

The scenario outlined by @Butteredtoast55 sounds possible but very surface level. What would be the point?

Harry has deeply wounded the RF and they are way past the 'just paper over the cracks' stage. Reconciliation would need to be meaningful and I think the first step is Harry being self-aware and contrite. I don't think he's anywhere close to that.

I doubt the King is sulking. It’s obvious from the warmth in any public mention of the family that they have their place in his heart, that he’s sincere.

Harry on the other hand sounded anything but warm and sincere in his recent broadcast to the nation. He came across more like someone who just didn’t have a clue as to why the things he’s done and said were earth shattering, or why people should feel so battered by his antics.

@AtIusvue I’m glad you picked up on how unwell the King has looked the last few days because I commented on it to my daughter when he was leaving BP for the TTC. He was very pale and didn’t look happy, he was pre-occupied and the Queen didn’t look much better either. She was very nervous and unsettled but it was the King who caught my attention more. They did smile and wave to the crowd but it was half hearted and not how they usually do it. It’s been on my mind since, mind you I did laugh when he passed the anti monarchy protestors and he waved to them very nicely 🤣

And the POW missing Ascot - hopefully it was a migraine or the likes but I think it’s just as likely that whatever prompted her surgery in the 1st place is something she may always have.

I simply cannot imagine Meghan traipsing across the heather or fishing or travelling in one of the rickety landrovers .
However the DC would love it.,

I have to admit I was quite shocked at his last interview blaming the King for the security issues. He knows his father is unwell why would you do that?
Does this guy have any empathy at all?