Archie and Lili, in the future?

[Coatigan]

Just musing, but once they get to adult age, would Harry's kids not be able to travel to the UK independently and meet up with their cousins/ rest of family if they want to? Do you think the UK cousins, and I'm including Zara's kids here, would want to meet them?

Imagine if these same comments were made about Katherine and William and their dc? There would quite rightly be an almighty protest about it.

We don’t need to imagine, they are…

They are never going to have to worry about money. Both parents have millions in the bank.
They are the children of famous parents. They will have every opportunity going without the controls of being in the Royal inner circle.

I would absolutely put money on one or both writing an expose type book by their 30’s though.

I certainly didn't start this thread to be nasty.

I was merely musing about the next generation in this rift, and how a high profile family would deal with it as opposed to a family IRL
I haven't said anything unpleasant in any of my posts about either side. Nor on any other threads. And definitely not about the kids.

I suppose it was naive of me not to realise it would soon descend into another of THOSE threads. Apologies to the rest of you. Time to to back away I think.

Come on now, @Coatigan . You knew this would be controversial.

This has an air of “ famous last words” ….

By the time they are 30 they'll be as relevant as the York girls. The focus will completely be on the Wales kids.

The children can do what they want once they're 18. They're entitled to both citizenships. Depending on how the security issues get worked out long-term it's also not impossible that they could even spend short periods of time in the UK without their parents as teens. Harry is still obviously close to the Spencers, especially Earl Spencer, which could eventually be a link between Harry's and William's children.

Harry stayed at Althorp after his uncle Robert's (Lord Fellowes) funeral last autumn, and the Earl also praised him extensively in January for his extracting an admission and "full apology" from Newsgroup for illegally invading his and others' privacy, including for their extended harassment of Diana. He and Jane Fellowes and several of the Spencer cousins were at the 10th anniversary of Invictus, which the RF (apart from Harry) did not attend.

And Charles Spencer - now back in the Uk permanently - has just written his own tell-all book about his childhood of neglect, abuse, and trauma - by extension, an indictment of the "culture of cruelty" of the "antiquated boarding (school) situation". Overall, it seems quite possible that Uncle Charles's view of how Harry has spoken publicly about the RF, and in particular Harry's complaints about the Royals' collaboration with the predatory press, is more sympathetic than not. The ties to the UK via Diana and the accompanying loyalties and closeness don't seem likely to be lost or abandoned, for Harry or his family.

I'd also imagine that in the event of any sort of split that she will still use her title. Diana was still referred to as "Princess Diana" after her divorce, Sarah is still Duchess of York. Meghan will be Duchess of Sussex forever and will absolutely always use that title as it chimes well with the American public.

That's true, I'm thinking more of the cachet of being married to a prince.

You conveniently did not address my main point Serenster which is that most royalists do not object to a thread about the children of H & M. Children! It doesn’t matter whose children. All discussion of minors is unacceptable imho.

Nor do they object to a discussion about the marriage of H & M or their parenting capabilities apparently? Or that they will apparently soon be getting divorced? Apparently it’s fine to discuss and speculate about all of that?

But not when those very same discussions centre around K & W and their dc! Then the Royalists object very strongly!

Neither is acceptable imho. It’s the double standards that I am objecting to!

Charles Spencer's own children don't talk to him. The likelihood of him being the mediator for his nephews' children is probably quite slim, imo. Their Spencer aunts may be a better bet. But the whole thing is premised on the "want" of the children on both sides. By the time they reach adulthood, the Wales children are unlikely to be (or remain) wholly ignorant of the hurt the Sussexes have caused their parents, which shows no signs of ending any time soon - there's no guarantee it will have ended by the time the children reach adulthood, who knows how many more books/tell all interviews/court cases are to come. Whilst the Sussex children might want to find a connection, I wonder whether the Wales children will prefer to forgo any more drama over relative strangers.

@Hardcrustsfromnowon654 good points, although I disagree with your terminology. The "Royalists" are the blind supporters of Harry and Meghan. H&M the ultimate Royals; not working but still wanting to use the titles, have the kudos, status and privilege that being royal brings. The crown monograms, the coat of arms. Harry wants all the entitlement of a prince without contributing anything and he wants privilege over others, and displays anger when he sees this not happening.
I think it'd valid to criticise them, but speculation about the children isn't fair. It's not their fault that their parents are who they are and behave as they do.

It might give her cache but I’d be embarrassed being married to that prince😬

Oh me too. Just reading his awful book confirmed that! The scenes when she was giving birth and he was high on her gas and air?! What a liability that man is.

Could you imagine if he was an anonymous ‘DH’ on MN? LTB would be filling the thread after hearing all about his behaviour, and rightly so. Using the gas & air, openly taking drugs, bad mouthing his family to anyone who will listen, disrespect to the disabled and animals, etc. We’d be asking the OP what she sees in him as he sounds like a deadbeat.

The scenes when she was giving birth and he was high on her gas and air?! What a liability that man is.

Not only did he do this stupid thing he thought it was a good story to put in his book. No one else could get away with this sort of behaviour in a hospital but he has been indulged since birth and has never been told no.

Yes, that's true. Why on earth share what a dreadful husband and birth partner he is?

I suspect he thought it a amusing story where everyone would go "Oh PH what are you like!" and think of him as that "cheeky chap".
The equivalent of someone telling a story they think is really funny to a group and leaving an awkward silence as everyone tries to think of something they can change the subject quickly.

And that, I think kind of encompasses Spare. I think as he wrote it, the stories were split into categories:

1. Everyone's going to see how terribly treated I was. More badly treated than anyone else. Everyone is going to sympathise with me.
2. I'm one of those cheeky chaps that everyone loves. I'm so down to earth. Everyone is going to wish they were friends with me.
3. Can't everyone see how wonderful (and like my Mum) Meghan is? Everyone is going to adore her now.

With an undercurrent of:

1. William was spoilt
2. Unlike William
3. And hate Kate.

But the problem is, because he doesn't actually have much self awareness they came across not like that.
Whether some of the stories would have become more sympathetic told by someone else - I used to know someone who could have a room in stitches while he told about the time he'd been blue lighted to hospital and the nurse had said "don't think he'll make it". He just had a way of telling that made it like that.
That's what he thought, possibly after knowing how he'd been seen in the past.

Otoh I remember an acquaintance telling me about how his wife joined the events committee in their village (6 months after arriving), spent the first meeting telling them they were all doing it wrong. Apparently about half had resigned before the next meeting after she'd gone round to individually tell them what they were doing wrong in detail and shortly afterwards the committee folded (been initially set up for VE day so going a long time) due to not enough people coming forward, even though before that they'd had a surplus of people. He told it to me as an example of how wonderful a leader his wife was and how grateful the village was that she'd come to sort it out. And no, it wasn't that they were operating unsafely or anything like that. I saw it slightly differently!

It's unlikely they would want to be part of the Royal Family, as they would have been 'groomed' by their parents to despise the RF, and Britain.
They may meet with their British relatives, but it would be like meet a stranger.
They don't know them, and are unlikely to know them as children.
I imagine they would have settled lives in the US by the time they are adults.

I’ve been thinking about this while I was baking.
George, Charlotte and Louis have 4 (and maybe more to come) full cousins on Kate’s side.
On William’s side they are close to Peter Phillips girls, Zara and Mikes three and have Wolfie (Beatrice Stepson), plus 4 children from the York Sisters (2 girls and 2 boys)
All of these adults are William’s cousins and they all go with their children to Balmoral every year. They go to Sandringham for Christmas and they seem to meet up at horsey events during the year- plus, they probably have other get together we don’t know about.
So George, Charlotte and Louis have lots of family to play and socialise with and the majority of them seem very ‘down to earth’ with parents who work and don’t promote themselves or push for newspaper headlines.
I expect the Wales 3 children will be children of the King in 10 years when they are young adults - they will by then be at university/armed forces/starting a career, will have friends of their own and very busy lives.
Will they really have time, any interest or inclination to meet two Americans (as that’s what A&L will be, let’s not kid ourselves) whose parents have caused pain and grief to people they love (their parents and their grandfather, plus QEII and Prince Philip), who are unknown quantities and who might follow in their parents footsteps and blab everything to the press?
Would you risk it if you were the child of the King?
Ultimately there is nothing in it for George, Charlotte and Louis. They will have full lives, surrounded by people they love and importantly who they and their parents trust.
For Archie and Lili there’s everything to gain.

I truly believe William has totally moved on from Harry.
I believe he will always miss the person Harry was but there has been far far too much water under the bridge for William, who like his mother, can hold a grudge.
William has to put his own family and the Monarchy first - and he will.

I fully expect to see a removal of some or all titles when William becomes king.
On a personal level it doesn’t sit right with me that two Americans who never come to the UK have British Royal titles.
I also think he will reinstate his mother’s HRH but that’s another thread!

On a personal level it doesn’t sit right with me that two Americans who never come to the UK have British Royal titles.

The children are half British and I don’t think that having an aristocratic title means that you need to live in the UK.

The royals seem to have accepted Wolfie into the fold - the children seem very relaxed in each other's company which is lovely to see. Hopefully Archie and Lilli will get the opportunity too.

I imagine they will be pretty pissed off with Harry when they get older.

He threw them and himself off the biggest gravy train going.

The children are half British and I don’t think that having an aristocratic title means that you need to live in the UK.

But making such a point of using royal titles when you don't live in the UK or any country where the King is HofS seems pointless and a bit daft. What is the benefit to the children?

I wonder how Michael Jackson’s kids feel about their father’s actions in public when they were growing up? I think that they may be the closest situation to what Archie and Lilli are going through.

I assume it’s about the parents feeling more royal and special as the kids are HRHs.
Fighting for titles when the kids are kept away from the limelight is contradictory but the parents are full of contradictions like that. Hopefully the kids will be able to stay “anonymous”