Archie and Lili, in the future?

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Just musing, but once they get to adult age, would Harry's kids not be able to travel to the UK independently and meet up with their cousins/ rest of family if they want to? Do you think the UK cousins, and I'm including Zara's kids here, would want to meet them?

Families have ups and downs and fallings out and that can change over time.

The difference with this family is it is harder to forget each other and move on as they are all in the public eye.

So no, I don’t think they will all drift, never to think about each other again.

I think Andrew’s girls still look to build bridges - and they will know how family things can spiral. And Anne was welcoming to Harry at the Queen’s funeral. The more level-headed among them will keep doors open if and when it’s time.

PH already seems remorseful of how he’s burned bridges but seems unable to help himself from alienating himself further and further with publicity seeking.

I think MM and PH clinging on to royal titles for themselves and their children is a pretty good indication they’d like to keep in with the royalty aspect as their children grow up.

Very sad that Harry is keeping in full victim publicity seeking, airing dirty laundry mode which is causing a lot of pain and distrust.

That's because they're basically decent, and wouldn't treat him as he has treated them. Of course Anne was gracious and friendly - she's not going to stoop to his level. She acted like a decent person.
Beatrice and Eugenie are interesting - I'm sure they're grateful that in all the tide of criticism and bitterness, he's never been critical of their father.

That’s mean. They are just little children.

And as for “ Americana-ed” the world is a progressively global place. I think most people can leap a cultural barrier to interact with cousins in the US.

I suspect Anne is wise enough to know that fallings out are very rarely entirely one-sided. And Beatrice and Eugenie have seen enough to know that life is complicated.

I’ve watched plenty of fallings-out. Very rarely is anyone truly just a pantomime villain. People have feelings which are complicated things.

I'm sure they are grateful that Harry and Meghan have taken the spotlight and focus off of Andrew and his ex-wife. If it wasn't for H&M then Andrew would've had way more flack from the press and criticism from the public over the last 7 years or so. The distraction that H&M spectacle have provided has been positively providential for the Yorks, they will not be unaware of this good fortune.

I think a teenager could easily be quite intrigued about meeting an unknown relative who also happened to be a King, Prince, Princess etc.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the kids choose to find out more when they're older, regardless of what Harry has told them.

It will be interesting to see how the children form their own opinions when they're old enough to not be under so much control.

fallings out are rarely one sided ?
This isn't a "falling out". This is a man who has spent 5 years being negative, critical and accusatory about his family. For the clicks and headlines, and for the money. It's not a difference of opinion of who won at Cluedo that time in Balmoral.
Harry has been cruel and he has been vile. That Anne was so gracious was heartening.

What nonsense. You are making quite the supposition about what "the family want"!.
Harry is determined to stay in the headlines and be controversial. That's how he remains a celebrity and earns money.
Andrew? He doesn't. No interviews since that catastrophe, no whining or complaining, no going to magazines, no book, no Netflix series.
That's the difference.
Disclaimer: that's not a defence of the odious Andrew, but a comparison of their approaches.

I think it will depends on their parents wealth, out of the four of them Harry knows that he has the safety net of his family. It may not be with open arms but he'd get a place to live. I can imagine Harry wanting another push at reconciliation as the children age. Personally they should have deferred titles until adulthood and for them to choose. If they continue with the them and us especially with William and Catherine then the children as they age are going to be collateral damage in this PR war. With both sets compared to each other.

They wouldn't defer titles until adulthood, because titles are critically important to Meghan and Harry. They love the privilege and the status. It's got to increase their marketing opportunities.

Archie and Lili are two very young children.

They deserve to be given a fresh slate in the eyes of the public - if not within their families as well.

We may all have views ( that can differ) on their parents; but none of us are responsible for things our parents do.

I actually think the speculation is a bit tasteless. It’s almost attempting to script things before they happen. Just let them grow up and make their own moves.

I don't think there will be any interest on either side personally. My parents had massive arguments with their siblings/inlaws - my generation are perfectly polite to each other when we have to meet but we are mutually wary and keep each other at arm's length. We certainly don't seek each other out - why would we? There are no childhood links to keep us together, we have different interests and social circles. We have nothing in common, except a few strands of DNA.

I think it's sad. W&K's kids have grown up in close proximity to their wider family and seem to have close relationships with their cousins/second cousins. They also have cousins on their mother's side. Archie and Lili don't seem to see anyone from their father's family and Meghan doesn't have good relations with her own siblings so they won't see anyone from that side either.

Did they or was that a rumour ? Also , Harry and Eugenie have apparently fallen out as H was incandescent that E was photographed having lunch with Piers Morgan.

This is what I think; having been raised in an exploitative and status-grabbing environment then they won’t know anything else.
H and M will tell them their warped version of the truth and the children will be able to see the films and interviews and read Spare ☹️
They’ll carry on perpetuating the lies as they won’t know better.

Although they don't have a relationship with that side of the family either

They will also be able, if they wish, to read the responses and reactions to Spare and the interviews etc and that might have decent critical thinking skills in evaluating it all.

It is not unusual for adult children to have a different perspective to their parents.

^ this

He seems unable to grasp that another public ‘poor me’ interview is going to heal the relationship.

I suspect he regrets stepping away. I am not convinced the marriage will work long term. He looks like fish out of water with all the US celeb bollocks.

That depends perhaps on whether they're brought up on the "internet is bad" and "people are nasty to us without any reason". If they're brought up believing that, then they'll either stick firmly away, or read it, and anything negative will just confirm what they're told.

Or if they're brought up to believe "everyone loves us" and "we're just so popular". In which case, I'd imagine they'd go online to innocently read what they think would be entirely positive articles, and get a shock. It would depend on them whether they'd just switch them off and think that their parents were right and they'd just found some load voices, or read them and objectively think about them and reach their own conclusion.

It may also depend on what others say to them. You might find H&M are very keen for them to reconnect, or dead against it. That's going to effect them (either way!)

I wonder if W & K send Christmas and birthday presents to A & L. As recently as last September they wished Harry a happy birthday on SM (probably because it was a milestone birthday as they didn't do it the year before). I think a low level of contact in the future is a possibility if those tiny links are maintained.

I doubt they'll ever be close though. The starting point for the royals is that A & L might repeat anything they say to H& M. And I am fully expecting George, at least, to remember H & M allowing their mouthpiece to call his mum a racist in front of the world's media. I think that sort of experience means they will be kept at arms length.

They're certainly being brought up to think that being online is important, they're photographed for the Instagram every day, and frequently filmed. That's their life. Shared online.

I watched a documentary in which a young Kaiser Wilhelm came over to Osborne House in the Isle of Wight to visit his cousins (Queen Victoria’s grandchildren). He didn’t know them or fit in with them at all - it was all very awkward and he was terribly resentful.

I hope Archie/Lili doesn’t end up being President of the US or we’re for it!!

I also think that if we were to time machine back a few hundred years Harry would be plotting/raising an army… though he might give himself away by requesting full armed protection upon his arrival…

He is reminiscent of Prince John "Lackland" Plantagenet. I think John had brains though, and a much more impressive wife.