Archie and Lili, in the future?

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Just musing, but once they get to adult age, would Harry's kids not be able to travel to the UK independently and meet up with their cousins/ rest of family if they want to? Do you think the UK cousins, and I'm including Zara's kids here, would want to meet them?

When William is king, I am sure he will do whatever is necessary to protect the monarchy because he doesn't, it won't survive. Archie and Lilibet are bounded to be perceived as risks.

They'd only need to do a google search to see how their mother was treated by the British press so I don't think that would endear them to the country, but they may like to meet their cousins

I was very close with all of my cousins as a child, we used to run riot together and we're close as adults. I can't imagine my life without them.

You actually make a brilliant point. Family feuds are not new in the royal family and were usually deadly!

Or they could look at all the early positive publicity she got, and them as a couple. How welcomed Meghan was. They could look at film of the early engagements when people lined up and cheered H&M, and they could look at film of their parents wedding and note how much popular support thet got. People's good wishes, the uniformly happy headlines, people lining the streets and cheering.
Then maybe reflect on just how bad ", negative" coverage was.

They'll wake up one day in a world where everyone hates their parents, they'll no doubt be indoctrinated into the same mentality, and end up super resentful because they'll see the British Royal Family, who are revered around the world knowing 'this is what you could have had'.

You think they have the capacity to keep it neutral, after the interviews, court cases and book? Dysfunctionality and hurt runs through the Spencer family , he may find a more sympathetic ear in his uncle.

That’s normally because they were trying to seize the Crown.

Harry and Meghan have made mistakes; I think that’s clear. But it’s a bit sick the extent to which people are luxuriating in it. It doesn’t really impact anyone but them. They aren’t getting taxpayer money.

But to go one step further and begin salivating and projecting about the future of two perfectly innocent little children is beyond the pale imo. It’s like a bunch of wicked fairy godmothers trying to cast curses on their future

My thoughts entirely. They’ll have no shared history. Harry has made their beds for them. They’ll have to get on with it

It’s all very sad. I hope if they do want to reach out to their British family they are met with grace and kindness, the kids should not be tainted by their parents’ mistakes. But it’s a shame that they won’t get to grow up with that side of the family. The Wales and Tindall kids look really close and it’s lovely to see. It reminds me of my own childhood and how I was close to my paternal cousins but didn’t have much to do with my mother’s side.

Harry got a lot of taxpayers money when he was recently in London for the Court Case. We pay for the Home Office and we paid for his security for the duration of the visit.

They’ll have nothing in common. The Wales’ kids will have had an outdoorsy aristo upbringing with all the class signifiers of that. They’ll be used to the public eye and will have friends who know the social codes and stay discrete. Archie and Lilli will be cosseted but spoiled. They’ll have a world class education but like their mother, they’ll have a language of pseudo psychology west coast therapy speak.

They’ll be like aliens to each other. No shared stories of running down the corridors at Sandringham or riding in the carriage with Grandfather Charles. Shame. Harry really has burned his bridges, silly man.

I agree that fallings out aren't one-sided - but the public element of this is all Harry. Which is what A+L will be able to read.

I think that if, in private, Harry had given more concession to the facts then the royal family could have given more concession to his feelings, if that makes sense?

But teenagers are interesting creatures. More inclined to rebel against their parents than fall in line - especially with all the major embarrassment they might feel.

(My mum was a lifestyle journalist, and I find her writings about me absolutely cringey)

But, forgive me if I err, you are presumably not posh. Ime poshos, let alone aristocrats or royals, are all about connections. It’s all who you know from where etc etc. From my days on the periphery of the Sloaney Pony (is it still their stomping ground?) I would say for your average middle class young person it is a difficult world to break into (should you wish to!).

So, what I’m saying is that Harry will be used to a “tight” family and background group. It’s absolutely not the same as being distant from Auntie Barbara, Uncle Geoff and Neil and Gill from Leighton Buzzard.

We don't know how much "concession to his feelings" his family gave him, because they respect privacy and would never discuss it. We only know Harry's side, because he has shared so much detail of his life, and others.
How interesting about your mum! I do sometimes wonder about these "lifestyle journalists" and what they share!

I think the two likely outcomes for them are:

a) parents divorce, they make glancing visits to the UK to see Harry who has returned and is living tail-between-legs like Andrew;

or

b) Archie and Lili hit their late teens/early twenties and one or both fall out with their parents dramatically and publicly.

I am not sure how much they are in touch via cards and presents. Eg does Lili get a card and present from W and C or Charles & Camilla - or is there no contact and no presents from anyone to anyone I’m really not sure!!

I imagine they see Zara’s kids and B and E’s kids and therefore might have contact and cards and presents with them.

I imagine Harry is constantly going to take the line William and Charles would be happy if we are dead and they are racists or at least that undertone. Or they will read it in the media. So I imagine a lot of psychological damage is done.

My siblings are abusive and are NC. I tried to make an effort with them and got nothing back so I gave up. My siblings do not contact my children. My children do not ask about them or their children - the eldest daughter saw some of their behaviour when she was about ten and was like I get it - they are awful we stay away. And she hasn’t questioned it since. My parents and siblings went when she is 18 she can contact us and we will contact her but they haven’t and she isn’t going to!

Not seen some of my cousins for over 20 years. We live far apart. I’m sure they are lovely people but neither side has tried to search each other out.

Given Meghan's track record, she could cut them off for some perceived or actual slight.

Why is it weird, especially as they're the Royal Family? Imagine growing up knowing you could have grown up never having to worry about money, having all sorts of unique opportunities and all of these family members but your parents decided to burn all of the bridges; they're also being posted on social media now so it's likely they'll end up being exposed to the world's media and 'known' with none of the upsides.

I think Harry knows that when William is king it’s game over. Unless there is a reconciliation between the brothers they will be stripped of titles. Of course they could still call themselves Princess and Duchess but they would look even more daft than they do already. It really irritates me that they moan about the institution of monarchy yet seem desperate to cling on and use any and every connection they have to it.

If they visit Eugenie in Portugal would he get security for the family?

You're definitely right that I'm not posh 😁. I totally agree that Harry is used to a tight circle, but he's now on the outside and I don't think he'll ever be welcomed back. Membership of any social circle is based on shared experiences and values; the likelihood is that A & L won't have anything in common with their cousins. Even if they did, would William/Kate/their kids ever trust them enough to let them in? I'm also sceptical that Archie and Lili will be interested in exploring their roots, but time will tell.

@KatherineParr , I agree about the trust - a trip by Archie and Lili would no doubt be preceded by Meghan fitting them up with hidden cameras and mikes with the instructions to get “good content”…