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Harry and RAVEC #2

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Baital · 18/04/2025 15:37

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Lazycatsitsonthemat · 19/04/2025 22:36

Rhaidimiddim · 19/04/2025 22:14

So it is great news that W&C are bringing theirs up differently

Yes indeed. I think it’s great William prioritises his children and his wife the way he does. He’s accused of being lazy a lot here but I think he has a huge drive to give his kids what he didn’t have. Maybe that’s more important to him than being monarch one day. Which is a good thing.

StartupRepair · 19/04/2025 23:05

I think from day 1 Meghan was in his ear saying this is such a huge financial opportunity, we could be making millions, if you loved me you would help me merch this, they don't appreciate you, you are special. To an immature, lonely man it would have been hard to resist.
Now he has thrown away his whole heritage without ever fully understanding it.

StartupRepair · 19/04/2025 23:05

I think from day 1 Meghan was in his ear saying this is such a huge financial opportunity, we could be making millions, if you loved me you would help me merch this, they don't appreciate you, you are special. To an immature, lonely man it would have been hard to resist.
Now he has thrown away his whole heritage without ever fully understanding it.

BigAnne · 20/04/2025 00:32

StartupRepair · 19/04/2025 23:05

I think from day 1 Meghan was in his ear saying this is such a huge financial opportunity, we could be making millions, if you loved me you would help me merch this, they don't appreciate you, you are special. To an immature, lonely man it would have been hard to resist.
Now he has thrown away his whole heritage without ever fully understanding it.

Spot on. H has never had to think for himself. Life for him now must be quite frightening. I would imagine he's now desperate to be back in the fold.

Lazycatsitsonthemat · 20/04/2025 08:50

StartupRepair · 19/04/2025 23:05

I think from day 1 Meghan was in his ear saying this is such a huge financial opportunity, we could be making millions, if you loved me you would help me merch this, they don't appreciate you, you are special. To an immature, lonely man it would have been hard to resist.
Now he has thrown away his whole heritage without ever fully understanding it.

Absolutely this. What on earth is going to happen to him because there is no way back .

Mylovelygreendress · 20/04/2025 09:22

StartupRepair · 19/04/2025 23:05

I think from day 1 Meghan was in his ear saying this is such a huge financial opportunity, we could be making millions, if you loved me you would help me merch this, they don't appreciate you, you are special. To an immature, lonely man it would have been hard to resist.
Now he has thrown away his whole heritage without ever fully understanding it.

I also think that Meghan really latched on the the Spare issue and persuaded Harry how unfair it was , how he should be treated exactly the same as William and she should have equal status to Catherine .
Any feelings of being behind William were exacerbated and the rest - as they say- is history.

Rhaidimiddim · 20/04/2025 10:36

StartupRepair · 19/04/2025 23:05

I think from day 1 Meghan was in his ear saying this is such a huge financial opportunity, we could be making millions, if you loved me you would help me merch this, they don't appreciate you, you are special. To an immature, lonely man it would have been hard to resist.
Now he has thrown away his whole heritage without ever fully understanding it.

Tom Bower would agree (and provide the receipts).

Mylovelygreendress · 20/04/2025 11:17

Rhaidimiddim · 20/04/2025 10:36

Tom Bower would agree (and provide the receipts).

Wonder when his new book will be out ?

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 20/04/2025 11:35

Mylovelygreendress · 20/04/2025 11:17

Wonder when his new book will be out ?

Tom Bower researches very thoroughly. It’ll be interesting

Starseeking · 22/04/2025 06:26

StartupRepair · 19/04/2025 23:05

I think from day 1 Meghan was in his ear saying this is such a huge financial opportunity, we could be making millions, if you loved me you would help me merch this, they don't appreciate you, you are special. To an immature, lonely man it would have been hard to resist.
Now he has thrown away his whole heritage without ever fully understanding it.

This is one of the main reasons I initially had sympathy for both Harry and Meghan.

It’s clear that there is so much that he didn’t tell her prior to them getting married, because he genuinely didn’t know it wasn’t the norm. The RF way of life was all he had ever known at that point, and his path had been so smoothly glided by the minions around him, he thought it was normal, given he’s not the sharpest tool in the box.

As an example, to Harry it was standard behaviour that the RF observe the hierarchy behind closed doors as well as in public. Meghan telling him this was odd, then him allowing her to parody her curtsy to the Queen on Oprah illustrates his lack of understanding of how the RF are perceived by the general public.

I’d bet there are thousands of examples like this which show up daily in their lives. Meghan being American meant she had no real understanding of British culture or what it meant to be a woman marrying into the RF, other than wearing a crown and expensive dresses (£50k couture gown for her engagement pictures?!?).

Where they lost me is that instead of listening to their advisors, the two of them only appear to take advice from each other. The pair of them are an incendiary and toxic combination; Meghan who is estranged from every member of her family other than her mother, and Harry, who is on his way to successfully estranging himself from his family due to his behaviour since getting into this relationship, where his whole life before it seems to have been discarded as bad (other than the privileged bits!).

The two of them can’t seem to comprehend that the RF was built on hierarchy, and for it to function successfully, it has to continue that way. Harry is the equivalent of Andrew, Anne and Edward in his generation, but really most comparable to Andrew in status as he has no Royal role, of his own choice.

I’ve said it on previous threads, but mention it again here due to its outcome. The worst thing Princess Diana did was to treat William and Harry as equal, as they never would be. The kindest thing she and the rest of the family could have done would have been to prepare Harry for a life of supporting William from his position as younger brother, and to defer to him in status.

The behaviour Harry exhibits now is as a result of this equal treatment started by Princess Diana, and continued by a RF who were paralysed by how to treat Harry and William after her death for many years afterwards. Harry cannot comprehend that he is not the same as William.

William was extremely lucky in meeting Kate; and to think he nearly threw it all away when he dumped her a few years into their relationship. He’s so fortunate that she took him back. Her and her family have shown him what it means to be a loving supportive family, albeit one which also has huge material wealth (self-made). I suspect with the support of his in-laws he is raising his DC in a similar way to the Middleton children, which can be no bad thing given the way the whole of the Middleton family have conducted themselves since becoming close to the RF.

NewAgeNewMe · 22/04/2025 06:43

Very thoughtful post @Starseeking

friskybivalves · 22/04/2025 06:51

Super interesting post @Starseeking. And it prompted me to wonder, in the loving mash-up of Middletons and now W&K’s own children, how in practical terms they are bringing them up to see George as different. I suppose it’s easier that there are both Charlotte and Louis who can lean on each other in their supporting roles. Charlotte looks as if she could be prime minister off her own bat tbf.

Lazycatsitsonthemat · 22/04/2025 06:53

I would add to that and say Diana made a mistake in indulging Harry when he was naughty. In fact she indulged them both and encouraged them to be rebellious. In particular Harry, who she often described as thick like her and naughty. That label has stuck and he’s played up to it. However she always had respect for the RF, however frustrating she found them. Meghan has never had any respect for them.

JADS · 22/04/2025 07:49

Just musing here, but I wonder what difference Charlotte being ahead on Louis in order of importance will do. In my mind, I'm hoping for George's sake that they will be his Anne and Edward in a more low key, fewer formal duties way.

Mylovelygreendress · 22/04/2025 08:00

Lazycatsitsonthemat · 22/04/2025 06:53

I would add to that and say Diana made a mistake in indulging Harry when he was naughty. In fact she indulged them both and encouraged them to be rebellious. In particular Harry, who she often described as thick like her and naughty. That label has stuck and he’s played up to it. However she always had respect for the RF, however frustrating she found them. Meghan has never had any respect for them.

Although Meghan has no respect for the RF , she expects respect ( call me ma’am) from others !

Harassedevictee · 22/04/2025 08:57

@Starseeking is right, the Middleton’s have been extremely good for William and the RF. The fact Will met them as an older teen meant they could show him a different family life. They have also been discrete and supportive.

I have said it before but William and George at the football are just like any Dad and Son and it’s lovely to see.

Meghan had an amazing opportunity when she married H. She would have been given time to learn the ropes and to be a Mum. The problem was she thought she could do it better and wanted to be the next Diana.

Harry let Meghan down by not explaining how the RF works. It could be naivety on his part but maybe he didn’t want to scare her.

Profhilodisaster · 22/04/2025 09:13

I'm not sure Meghan would have listened and learnt about the workings of the RF even if Harry had tried to educate her.

SoOxon · 22/04/2025 09:45

StartupRepair · 19/04/2025 23:05

I think from day 1 Meghan was in his ear saying this is such a huge financial opportunity, we could be making millions, if you loved me you would help me merch this, they don't appreciate you, you are special. To an immature, lonely man it would have been hard to resist.
Now he has thrown away his whole heritage without ever fully understanding it.

this is such a perceptive, kind and almost heartbreaking summary - for those of us remembering the bemused and sorrowful young boy/Prince walking behind his mother’s catafalque it’s immensely dispiriting, despite his rebellious badly behaved years, to reconcile the child with this version of himself now presented to the world, all potential wasted, a tragedy of our times.

MM bears a similarity to Wallis Simpson it’s true.
Harry is indeed petulant selfish and pampered, in thrall to his wife, demanding.

Duke and Duchess of Windsor both wrote books giving their sides of their story,
both were vain, deluded, both dumped friends and acquaintances readily, neither were loyal or trustworthy as is well documented.

David Windsor ended his long life with a ‘handful of dust’ . I fear Harry
will suffer the same sad inevitable end as his scurrilous book sealed his fate
as DoW treacherous alliances sealed his.

History repeats itself.

SoOxon · 22/04/2025 09:50

Profhilodisaster · 22/04/2025 09:13

I'm not sure Meghan would have listened and learnt about the workings of the RF even if Harry had tried to educate her.

She would have deemed this pointless as she knew she wasn’t staying.

Dr. Greer when asked on breakfast tv what she thought, said, ‘I think she’ll bolt’
and gave reasons.
Ann Widdecombe said, on BB, ‘think she’s trouble’ - too late !

Starseeking · 22/04/2025 09:57

Early indications are that George IS being treated differently to Charlotte and Louis, and while we can rail against the unfairness of that in the name of equality, in his position that has to be a positive thing.

We have seen George on a few formal RF official duties with his father, he took part in ceremonies such as Prince Philip’s funeral, the Queen’s funeral and he had a starring role in King Charles’ Coronation (I think he carried something important!). Charlotte is only a year or so younger so could have been involved in some of these things, but I suspect it’s a deliberate decision on the Palace’s part not to involve her. They’ve seen how badly it can go wrong when you treat the heir and spares the same.

For those of us old enough to remember the late eighties/early nineties, we rarely saw William and Harry apart in public. Both of them were always either with one or other of their parents or Tiggy the nanny. Whatever William did, Harry did. Harry was also allowed to be naughty and they all indulged him as he was the spare. I’m a couple of years older than two of them and remember it all playing out so clearly.

Some self-reflection on Harry’s part is long overdue (he won’t do it), fingers crossed when the Court issue the outcome of the RAVEC decision he will accept it with good grace (he probably won’t) and go and live the family life he wanted in peace (he also won’t do this lol).

Rhaidimiddim · 22/04/2025 11:10

friskybivalves · 22/04/2025 06:51

Super interesting post @Starseeking. And it prompted me to wonder, in the loving mash-up of Middletons and now W&K’s own children, how in practical terms they are bringing them up to see George as different. I suppose it’s easier that there are both Charlotte and Louis who can lean on each other in their supporting roles. Charlotte looks as if she could be prime minister off her own bat tbf.

I would bet the farm that W&K's household have ditched the absurd curtseying in private.

Profhilodisaster · 22/04/2025 12:00

I can understand Harry as a young boy not understanding the difference between his and William's position but as an adult he should realise now how very different their paths had to be.

HonoriaBulstrode · 22/04/2025 14:01

We have seen George on a few formal RF official duties with his father, he took part in ceremonies such as Prince Philip’s funeral, the Queen’s funeral and he had a starring role in King Charles’ Coronation (I think he carried something important!).

George and Charlotte were both present in the congregation for Philip's memorial service (not his funeral) and the Queen"s funeral. George's 'starring role' in the Coronation was as one of several boys carrying the King's train. I think he was one of the youngest, if not the youngest.

I would bet the farm that W&K's household have ditched the absurd curtseying in private.

When George VI became king, their governess told the princesses, then aged ten and six, they would have to curtsey to him in future. The first time they did it, he told them never to do it again when they were in private as a family.

IdaGlossop · 22/04/2025 14:19

A slight diversion. The bonkers Liz Jones is back to Meghan bashing after lauding her and H last week. She thinks it's odd that M's online shop links to George's pyjamas and Charlotte's dress, having said that she wouldn't be trussing up her children like the British royal family does. I do find it creepy and hope William and Catherine manage to blank this kind of nonsense out of their minds, if they know about it at all.

Once again, it's an odd approach to brand-building: English As Ever products, English children's clothes. What about the Cali girl image that she could more authentically own? archive.ph/AQnug

wordler · 22/04/2025 14:21

Even before the Queen died they’d stopped the curtsying to and between the HRH level of the hierarchy in public so definitely weren’t / aren’t doing it in private.

I think at this point they only do it for the monarch and spouse, and only on first meeting of the day - because you still see times when Catherine does a curtesy but William doesn’t bow because he’s seen his Dad already that day.

I don’t think Charles is that bothered by it - there was a funny clip of Stella McCartney greeting Charles after he became King and they clearly know each other quite well because she’s saying hello and then suddenly remembers and says something like ‘ooh I’m supposed to do this now’ and does a curtesy and they both burst out laughing - and Charles looks he isn’t taking it seriously and wouldn’t have noticed if she hadn’t brought it up.

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