Harry and RAVEC - claims he was trapped by RF

[smilesy]

Okay. So first of all thanks to everyone on the last thread for a really civilised discussion about Harry and his security. The Telegraph has an exclusive article where Harry claims that his security was removed to “trap” him in the RF. I’m really sorry but for some reason I am unable to archive Telegraph articles at the moment. Could anyone help?

FFS, change the record Harry.
You made your bed, matey.

Harry complains to the press that his family don’t respond to his calls/messages. Maybe if you weren’t a blabber Harry your family wouldn’t grey rock you.

He doesn’t see the irony does he?

Yes, moaning to the tabloids - yet again - is really going to improve things!

He must be even dimmer than previously thought, hard as that is to credit, if he's actually surprised.

When you burn bridges, you can't expect them to be available to walk on.

When is he going to let it lie? He obvs knows he has lost his appeal - hence the ranting and raving. He is trying to goad KC3 and PW to engage with him. But they ain't responding - when is the penny going to drop?

I don't think it will. He is clearly a man with significant problems. They are being sensible by not engaging with someone so delusional and volatile.

as this came originally from the people who have been the go to for quite sometime it's clearly a pr piece. How does he go from demanding apologies and refusing to lay down his sword to they won't pick up the phone. He's blaming Charles for the security so on what planet would it make sense for Charles to engage at the moment. He is far from happy and it's going to get worse for him as his life becomes an instagram pantomime.

Such a big baby.

Harry is still clinging to the idea that the King could intervene with his security for some strange reason, so the King is wisely keeping his distance from Harry to avoid any way that Harry could claim he is doing this

So KC and W are greyrocking H because in the past he has blabbed and made accusations about them and they are worried he will continue doing this so can't be trusted.
To resolve this H blabs info about the current state of their relationship thus proving their point. He is so dim.

I don't expect this to end well, but doubt he'll ever give up the ranting and raving

As for "knowing he's lost the appeal" it may be that the facts - ie that the case could never have reinstated his security, but merely resulted in Ravec making the same decision if forced to go through it again - have finally been explained to him in words of one syllable

It's always been obvious to the rest of us, but if Harry's only just twigged that'll doubtless all be someone else's fault too, for "not telling him"

This all smacks of the bully at school being terribly upset that he’s not invited to the children he bullied parties, obviously he’s gone to his parents ( pr) to complain about it in the hopes they can force his inclusion!

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I don't expect this to end well,

I don't either,.

I'm not sure if his behaviour and state of mind has deteriorated in the last handful of years or whether he has always been like this but it was well hidden by those around him...I'm beginning to increasingly think it's the former.

I do think he lost a lot of guidance/support/a framework when he left the military and then the RF.

do you think his therapist ever asks him why they are greyrocking him, points out he’s slagged off his dads wife and allowed his SIL to be branded a r*cist?
His lack of self awareness is astonishing.

H&M actively and intentionally branded Catherine a racist - Scobie didnt dream that up out of thin air - it can only have come from them and is consistent and persistent with all of the other small digs publicly at Catherine's character by MM over the years - each on their own calculated to be just enough to claim plausible deniability - but seen together a clear pattern of smearing and bullying.

Harry used to have such a good relationship with Kate; you couldn’t fake the genuine warmness between the two of them which we used to see regularly on their joint public engagements before he got married. I’m sure at one point he said she was the sister he never had, so it’s really quite sad how their relationship has deteriorated to this level.

I suspect that, new on the scene, MM, felt somehow threatened by PH's long 15 year deep and happy emotional relationship with C.

I think Meghan’s antipathy to Catherine stems
from lots of places, the closeness to Harry being only one. Catherine is married to the actual heir, she has followed Diana in becoming the Princess of Wales (and with a nice Princess title to boot) and she is higher up the pecking order. Meghan’s sense of self importance cannot cope with all that

I agree @smilesy . Meghan clear sees Catherine as being inferior and there is no way she would ever curtsy to her .

To be fair, I think Harry always had a more nuanced relationship with her than the obvious warm one - he could probably enjoy her personal company and still petulantly sulk that she stole his big brother away. The big brother who he both loved and resented too.

My friend used to date my BIL's brother, and he was always resentful of his "sidekick" brother being "monopolised" by his girlfriend (last time I met up with the brother, who is also a friend of mine, he said that he was glad to get out of the house from my sister and BIL, who don't realise what a handful they can be as guests!).

What made the difference was having all the bad parts highlighted and the good played down/replaced with competitiveness.

I don't think Meghan likes women full stop as demonstrated by the shocking way she ignored that poor lady who was trying to tell her about her life, the way she turned her back on another woman who was speaking to Harry and the many times she has inserted herself between Harry and other women.

I suspect you may be right. She sees other women as a threat and as competitors. This may also tie in to the whole security thing. The fact that they are unsafe is a red herring. It’s all about wanting what William and Catherine have as we have said many times. Meghan may well have said to Harry that she won’t come here without the same security as the Waleses (ie a close protection officer to take on shopping trips etc). I don’t personally think she wants to come back at all, but this may well be behind Harry’s desperate attempts to get what she is asking for 🤷‍♀️

Meanwhile, on Planet Liz Jones, KCIII gets a beating. He should be making a move towards Harry. Just imagine the good a photo op would do. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14617859/LIZ-JONES-Prince-Harry-NOT-blame-ongoing-family-feud-Charles-William.html

I'm pretty sure that MM has visualized many, many times the moment when William and Catherine will be sitting on actual thrones wearing actual crowns, being actual heads of state, to whom actual Parliament defer, with the PM being referred to as William's PM etc etc - all the deference she witnessed HMTLQ being afforded going to W&C. Attending the coronation would be a nightmareish dilemma for her: sit in the audience and witness all that, or be NFI and the whole world know it? (Only solution is to let it be known she was invited but turned it down, of course).

Meanwhile, she will be in Montecito trying to earn a living selling tat via her As Ever website, running her Instagram page with affiliate links, and trying to up listenership for a poor-quality podcast, with Harry moping around the house and a Prince and Princess unable to be free citizens.

An ego such as hers cannot, just cannot cope with such a situation. So close, yet so so so far. She knows the clock is running on becoming A Big Thing, she knows it's not happening, and she knows she'll be the lesser-than the second W&C have crowns put on their heads. It's where she's always been, what she's been trying to get away from all her life, and she knows she's heading right back there. The best time of her life will end up being around the time of the Oprah interview when Netflix and Spotify and PRH were banging on their door.

Hopefully she will focus on all the things she does have rather than the things she doesn't, but I doubt it. It's not going to end well, for either of them.

Against my better judgment I read the article!
what a load of complete bollocks!
i am happy that most of the comments think it’s rubbish too.