Harry RAVEC decision appeal

[smilesy]

I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

For anyone who isn’t aware, the court case is being live streamed and can be followed in various places
Sky

Apparently he is complaining of “inferior treatment”

Thanks, @smilesy.

I can’t watch it live but will follow the thread.

How many days to we expect the hearing to last for?

Thank you. I read the BBC article and watched the start of the livestream.
The issue seems to be that he feels 10 days notice for security is too much, and that RAVEC wish to consider his needs on a case by case basis. He will always get security, as appropriate.
He wants the same kind of security arrangements given to the King and the Prince of Wales.

At the start we were told that it would end today at 4.10, and resume tomorrow, although some details will not be livestreamed because of security details.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cj45n9e29let
Here's the BBC article, with linked information.

They have explained how RAVEC breaks down the risks to a person. The status of Harry has been redacted.

He argues that his security should not be decided on a case by case basis, and RAVEC have not properly risk assessed his situation (I think that was the summary).

I couldn’t agree more

But it’s not what William has ! And not what Catherine has !

Apparently he is complaining of “inferior treatment”

He's always complained of inferior/unreasonable treatment, @smilesy, (and thanks from me too for the thread) only now the "case by case" assessments apparently don't suit and he wants what HE thinks he should have and all the time

I wouldn't have thought he'd get that, but then I'm not a lawyer and we could really do with Serenster on here!!

His problem is that he considers himself to have been "downgraded".

I wonder if it makes a difference that part of Harry's risk profile is 'self-inflicted'. E.g. publishing statements about killing the Taliban. I suppose the same is true of Salman Rushdie but he was given security. I support freedom of speech so I suppose I shouldn't take this into account myself.

Part of his argument seems to be that RAVEC have not provided him with their risk assessment.
He also claims to be at risk because of the alleged paparazzi pursuit in New York.

Just wait until the Wales DC start having DC and Harry slips further into oblivion.

Yes, I think that's not an issue whether it's self inflicted or not. The assessment is made about risk. They judge Harry's security risk and act accordingly, they don't judge on his folly or otherwise.
He wants the same treatment as the King, and also people like the Obamas, when they visit the UK.

He's just not coping. We're 5 years on from them leaving and he's saying that the UK is his home and he needs to bring his wife and children here, but they're not safe.
His KC seems to be focussing on a technicality about the risk management discussion.

It's been 5 years since he left the UK and he still looks alive and healthy enough to me, so the current arrangements appear to be working?!

It's not like they spend a lot of time in the UK anyway, or is it that he wants the government to pay for full time security in the States too?

I imagine his private security costs are astronomical (though possibly not actually necessary?) so the idea of someone else footing the bill must be quite appealing to him. We all know H and M don't like spending their own money, but are happy enough to spend everyone elses.

If Harry loses this, will he be asked to foot the bill of this? Or does the public just have to suck it up as he might have the right to make this challenge?

As far as I can tell they are relying on the interpretation of a policy, splitting hairs if you ask me.

Also I can’t help but feel that the NY pap incident has wholly been framed in the context of this legal case.

This is Harry's barrister putting out their case. Of course it will be as highly favourable to Harry as they can possibly spin it (though I don't think mentioning the non-car chase incident helps).

The Govt will submit their case after this. Will be interesting to see what they say.

That's how law cases are won. It's very boring to an outsider.

Basically yes. He doesn't want to pay.