Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

It would have been interesting to see Harry's response if he didn't get a bespoke security assessment.

Well, that's a very interesting thing, because this morning they quoted him as saying that the UK is his home and his children are British. Whether he meant the links rather than citizenship, I don't know.

Even if he takes up American citizenship he would still retain his British citizenship so I don't understand your argument. Archie was born in London so presumably is a dual national. Lili is at least eligible for British citizenship, which only leaves Meghan, but I don't think she has any intention of coming to Britain again.

In fact I think that may be the real issue. Meghan won't allow him to take the children to Britain and cites 'security' even though he know that's not actually the problem here.

Very well said, IcedPurple; surely we can do without silly "they're all racist/no they're not" derailments on at least one thread?

From the outside it would appear that the main problem is that Harry's assessment of his threat level is different to RAVEC's. They are never going to be able to satisfy him for that reason alone. The very fact that Taylor Swift got security when she was the object of a terrorist threat proves that anyone can get security if they need it, at a level deemed appropriate to the level of the threat.

But someone who assumed he would always be an IPP (their 2020 statement) simply because of whose son he is will not get that.

This is framing again - I mentioned this up thread about the NY incident. He’s just framing to suit a narrative. How many times have we heard how settled they are in the US as a family and yet when it suits him, they’re Brits. It’s garbage (or rubbish for us brits 😉)

When someone claims something on a thread as fact I will challenge it, maybe take it up with the poster who made the claim in the first place, not me.

Yes, he wants to be an IPP.
He got excellent protection when he arrived for the coronation. It's clearly not enough, though.

Yes thanks @IcedPurple. I really don’t think that Harry’s alleged need for security in the UK is anything to do with racism, and all to do with his chagrin at not being deemed “important” enough. Not to mention being a tight wad who doesn’t want to pay for his own security, despite choosing to live away from the safety of the palaces

Both Archie and Lili are automatically British citizens through Harry. They are automatically US citizens through Meghan.

However because Archie was born in the UK he will also be able to pass his British citizenship on to his own children no matter where they are born. Lili will not be able to do that.

I have a ‘Lili’ of my own DH is American. DD was born in the US but has duel citizenship. So I have researched all this for her.

OK but for the sake of this discussion not turning into the same mess as most of these threads, could I kindly ask you to write 'Off Topic' at the start of any post which is just that?

These threads become impossible to read when arguments about random events from the past decade are mixed in with the on topic points.

Harry has been singled out for "different , unjustified and inferior treatment" according to his legal team.

I agree that it wasn’t you that started this. I was agreeing more with the general sentiment that it would be nice for no one to have brought it up in the first place 😆

What is your point? His legal team are hardly likely to say they agree that his treatment is fair, are they?

Lol yet your happy to drag up some from years ago to have a pop at meghan but now you suddenly what to put a time limit on what can be commented on here. 🤣

But it seems to be the opposite - he’s being given more than his cousins and aunts and uncles.

The alternative is surely that he gets treated like Beatrice was when she was 5th in line. No security at all - pay for your own.

He’s getting an extra layer of protection in that they will do a new assessment any time he needs to be in the UK.

He’s just getting inferior treatment to the heir to the throne.

I've listened to a bit of it and that's exactly what's happening - dancing on the head of a pin.

Are you going to ask everyone to do the same or have you just honed in on me for some reason? I really don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot respond to on a thread, let alone writing a caveat before my post, so no I will not do as you ask but as my post has caused a lot of upset I will stay away from the discussion.

And the government have responded that in fact he has been treated 'exceptionally'. That is objectively true.

They've also added that his opinions are basically irrelevant, which is also objectively true. Harry has the worldview of a spoiled adolescent who thinks the world revolves around him. I really hope this 'case' gets thrown out.

This is simply all about his over inflated opinion of himself and nothing more , he’s never been told “no” in the past and we are seeing the fallout of that decision time and time again!
the fact he actually thinks that it would harm the U.K. and it’s people if something happened to him shows how out of touch with reality he is.
im hoping that for once the judge will spell out the reality of his position and choices to him in a way he fully understands and finally tells him the “no” he badly needs to hear.

IPP is about status so H would want it. Probably more important, M must want it. If they get it, the US government will have to pay while they are in the US. Let's see what Trump and DOGE have to say about it.

Yes, indeed. It did seem that his legal team were looking for technicalities, although I'm not sure that him not being fully appraised of how RAVEC came to their decision is genuinely a problem

IPP is the consequence of having diplomatic status, not the other way round.

Harry is a private citizen so simply does not qualify. You can't just 'get' IPP status. It's not going to happen.

me too please.

I think it's interesting that he's trying to use the "near catastrophic car chase" in NY as evidence that he needs top level armed protection.