Harry RAVEC decision appeal

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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss the court case which started today. I for one am still baffled as to why Harry thinks that his treatment has been unreasonable, given that he no longer lives in the UK, but is still given security on a case by case basis when he visits. This seems perfectly reasonable to me 🤷‍♀️

I think his claim is that he is "an exceptional case".

He also complained about certain individuals being included on the RAVEC board, didn't he?

His sense of entitlement is off the scale really, and it's that, not any real fear for his 'security', which is motivating this expensive farce of a 'case'.

Is this the end of the road as far as appeals are concerned?

Do you have a relevant comment about Harry’s court hearing?

That NY ‘car chase’ was caused entirely by the incompetence of his American security team.

Too stupid to realise that what happens in a different country that he voluntarily moved to , has absolutely no bearing on his security arrangements in the U.K.!!!

The judge has said that having a "bespoke" arrangement for Harry is "legally sound".

I’m more inclined to think it was caused by the Sussexes wanting to draw comparisons with Diana…

I agree, although this is part of the claim about how hounded they are. However, in the UK, it's unlikely they would have been able to travel by taxi and make changes to arrangements at short notice.
If he's sore about Taylor Swift, that was put in place because of credible terrorist threats.

The court has taken a recess for lunch at the moment. I wonder if Harry is paying for anyone else 🤔😆

This is a very interesting point. Trump is currently showing himself very willing to defy international norms and expectations. Let's consider the seemingly unlikely outcome that a court awards Harry IPP status or equivalent and says the USA has to provide this for him in the circumstances of his current residence there. Who can very easily see Trump saying 'nope, not paying for it, you can't make me'? I can. Then what?

I'm inclined to agree. During their time in the UK, even returning for visits, I have never once seen them or their children papped.

Well I'm hoping that he won't claim it from the UK taxpayers! 😄

That argument would possibly hold more water , if Harry and Meghan hadn’t made a huge song and dance about fleeing the awful U.K. because only we have tabloids and American media/ paparazzi don’t behave the same way as the awful U.K. ones!!! 🙄

Possibly - whoever it was that insisted they got out of the secure blacked out SUVs driven by their own security team and into a random, unvetted New York cab so that the photographers following them could get some really good clear pictures is the problem.

If it was the security team’s idea they should be sacked.

And if I was running a team where the protectees insisted on doing something so stupid I think I’d sack them as clients. Particularly if they released such an inane press release the next day highlighting to the world what a mess the security had been.

Again, a court can't 'award IPP status'. That's not how it works.

The IPP Convention was agreed in the 1970s as a response to a spate of kidnappings of diplomats. All signatory nations are legally obliged to provide protection for the individual and to prosecute those who try to attack them. No court can compel another nation to grant 'IPP status' to an individual who has no diplomatic accreditation. It's simply not going to happen.

When this change ("downgrade") originally occurred, Harry was angry and demanded "names". It's all very entitled and arrogant.

There's an unwritten agreement between the royals and the much reviled 'British media' not to photograph the royals when 'off duty'. This applies particularly to the children. I've seen pictures of Kate out doing 'normal stuff' with the children on social media or occasionally in European magazines, but almost never in the British press, as they mostly respect their arrangement with the royals. Of course, no such arrangements exist in California.

I have wondered the same. H&M wanted to change the world. Trump is the one who's actually changed it. There's a lot of water to flow under the bridge yet though. It could be months before the verdict is given and then H can appeal to the Supreme Court if the Appeal Court finding goes against him.

That's useful info. Thank-you. In your view, is H after IIP status, and will his lawyer have explained he is unlikely to get it in the US?

I remember reading an article back in the days following them "finding freedom" where the Met was struggling to meet their demands for three separate protection teams for Harry, Meghan and Archie, based on the fact that they were not always in the same country - it implied that Archie was left in Canada with nannies or possibly Jessica Mulroney while H&M, were in the UK/US.

Also some of the RPOs who were sent to Canada complained that Meghan treated them as domestic staff - expecting them to run errands for her

As I understand it, Harry does not fulfil the criteria for IPP status, nor does his wife, unless anyone can correct me on this.

Only mentioning because he brought it up about his brother but my word he's getting bald.
wonder if he feels a tit for taking the piss

It's not that he's 'unlikely' to get it. He simply doesn't qualify, and I don't think he ever has. IPP is not going to happen.

I'm not sure even Harry knows exactly what he wants or expects from this 'case'. I think he just sees the world in a very emotional, grudge driven way. His lawyers will have been obliged to explain to him exactly what the case entails and what the likelihood of success might be, but that's irrelevant when you're not thinking rationally.

I think you're right, @IcedPurple . Just as the lip readers revealed his sullen "I can't believe I'm being treated like this" at the Coronation, it is entirely about resentment, anger, arrogance, entitlement and a massive dollop of ignorance.