All the focus on H & M - where's the outrage against Andrew?

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Thread after thread of pulling apart Harry and Meghan. 0.1% discussing what Andrew did?

What is going on with MN?

do't get fooled into using language like the king has been drawn in.
He knows exactly what's going on

yep, seal it all up in the name of national security

What I don't understand is why they aren't held to account financially

Because within our constitutional monarchy the Head of State's supposed to act on the advice of Parliament, and Parliament - hampered by the rule that the institution won't even be openly discussed - prefers not to act

Instead we get glossy reports, often produced by those with their eye on their next honour - insisting how modestly they live, and there are sufficient people who'll happily accept all this for the system to continue

I am sure I read that KC didn’t know Andrew was wearing his Garter Robes until the day.
It was shocking that he did wear them .

@Mightymoog @Puzzledandpissedoff

Absolutely. It's the language the media are using as I said yesterday... he was drawn in, he was dragged in... yeah right!

It is not so clever tactics to lead the reader to believe he did not have a clue. What absolute bollocks, given he employs the very best in aides, he has security forces advising him etc.

I agree... huge cover up then bingo, records sealed. It's what they did to Andrew's Trade envoy records. Because he was going places he shouldn't have been, and he was with people he should not have been fraternising with. Like Epstein, and that dodgy banker. And what about that 'investment company' he set up that was receiving huge amounts from mysterious donors. He had to shut that down PDQ when it became public. He set it up in 2013 under the name Andrew Inverness, (is he thick) and it closed in 2023.

Oh come off it! His brother sneaked in without anyone knowing, no one dressed him and he surreptitiously turned up wearing those robes, which just happened to be hanging around in a cupboard in his house? I suspect, as @BasiliskStare supposed, he was allowed to wear them, then after the event someone, either a PR person at the Palace or one of the Royal Toadies correspondents said 'Oh he did it off his own back and everyone was surprised!' Same with William driving him around. They do what they like and their courtiers/PR people then have to come up with a lame excuse for them. Enough people who will swallow it because they want to. The first thing Andrew did after his father died was reportedly to get his Admirals uniform made up for the funeral. He still wasn't allowed to wear it.

Seems like an old.habit of throwing staff under the bus too not just family members. They all take the flak.

They treat us like we are idiots and would fall.for the old we didn't know trick

They do what they like and their courtiers/PR people then have to come up with a lame excuse for them

But look on the bright side, @Tomatotater; having done what they want and left any messes for the staff to sort out, those staff are then ideally placed to take the blame if it doesn't work out

They say having palace employment is a major plus on a CV, but otherwise I can never quite fathom the attraction in working for most of them, however I suppose it takes a certain type and I certainly wouldn't qualify

I've avoided this thread for a few days because I knew how it would go, and it sure hasn't disappointed. A lot of the regular RF posters here seem to be absent from the Sentebale threads and I wonder why that is?

Maybe because Harry is not Head of State, is never likely to be and his charity is being investigated by the Charities Commission. If Sentebale is indeed corrupt, then it will not have anything to do with the running of State matters in this country. It will be terrible for the children of Lesotho. Even though I am sure that there will be millions of threads saying the Royal Family have had to cover for Harry if, as it seems likely, it is found that actually the Chair has been spending half the charity's money on 'consultants' was out of order and the board was correct to resign.
This will not, and never will happen with anything any other member of the RF are involved in. All organs of the State are working to keep this covered up. Even though when Andrew was doing this he was apparently working for us. The robes of State debacle, William driving him around, him accompanying his mother etc, inserting himself as spokesman for his family all goes towards Andrew still being well and truly within the bosom of his family, no matter what their staff say in press releases to placate the plebs. Harry is apparently not even trusted to wear a fluffy red coat in case he records something for Netflix, so is very much not in the bosom of his family.

Well quite. And its very easy to be 'above board and legal' if you have manipulated legislation in the first place to exempt your self from it. You are acting 'legally' because the law has a clause written into it that you don't have to adhere to it. (The Equality Act, for example)

I would guess they get huge favours, as well as being uber Royalists who will do anything to protect the institution of the Monarchy. I think both Fawcett and Thirsk are still working for them in some capacity.

Fawcett the Fence? Yes, probably. Because Charles and him were buddies apart from Fawcett working for him.
Ditto Amanda Thirsk, I imagine she was very servile to Andrew. He would like that. She was a Director of Pitch Palace and received a five figure sum when she left. Gotta buy silence!
Apparently she is now working for some chinese company, hmmmm

Speaking of Fawcett, anyone else remember this?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/nov/11/theguardian.pressandpublishing

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/what-the-butler-saw-in-a-royal-bedroom-farce/26236988.html

I refer the Honourable Member to the Windsor Castle hamper-a mere £120.01.🤣https://www.royalcollectionshop.co.uk/royal-residences/royal-residences/windsor-castle.html

@Tomatotater and @Mylovelygreendress

PA was definitely allowed to wear the Garter robes , though I have read he wan't told so as soon as he would have liked. But it wasn't on the day. I don't think anyone would believe KC hadn't sanctioned it and I haven't read anything saying he didn't or A did it off his own bat. So I don't think there has been any attempt at a PR cover up about A's robes - there would be no point. PA was again not part of the Garter ceremony last year , but that isn't watched by 20m in the UK or reportedly 2bn worldwide, so whilst welcome , it does reinforce by being allowed to be at the coronation so dressed was a huge outlying misstep.

He's hardly photographed holding a box of biscuits and promoting tea towels.

@TroysMammy No-so it’s entirely different🤣How about Zara and her Musto jackets?

i dont think Zara (or Charles for that matter) have had a infomercial / Netflix series. Though they may start getting ideas

@Munnygirlwe can pray they don’t. But we were talking about them selling stuff.

I don’t know much about Zara’s sponsorship deals (I don’t do horses!) but with Charles’ wares, I believe some of the profits went to what was then called the Princes Trust which is an excellent organisation to help young people ( I know someone who the charity helped enormously)

What about Peter Phillips and his selling milk while sitting on a Throne? Mike Tindall on whatever his podcast is on, and on whatever random reality TV shows will have him, touching up staff and flapping his gums about the RF? Zara is doing adverts for stuff. Shady underhand visits to the Middle East as some kind of expert in something or other based on no experience whatsoever, as the York girls have been doing, and suddenly your shady dad comes into millions, but Netflix? Beyond the pale!

The gift shop sales go to the Royal Conservation Trust which looks after the Royal Collection (as do I think ticket sales for the palaces.)

Anyway I give you this https://www.royalcollectionshop.co.uk/windsor-castle-pet-bowl.html. Not dishwasher or microwave safe. No mention is made of robustness in the event of "fisticuffs".

I can only see this being a suitable dog bowl for Tricki Woo.

What about them? If they're not funded by the RF I don't know why you would get your knickers in a knot.

You didn't answer the question. Just more whataboutery. No surprise of course.

Harry removed himself from the family. Andrew did not. His family most likely believe him over Guiffre. Why wouldn't they support him? Like him or not, the poor bastard has been put through the mill, disgraced and humiliated, which must be some blow for a man of his arrogance. I don't see any reason he should be excluded from family events. I'd like to think my family would support me if I was the subject of an untrue allegation.

Peter Phillips got an absolute roasting over the milk advert and I can guarantee if he did that now it would be all over the media including mumsnet