Page 24 | All the focus on H & M - where's the outrage against Andrew?

modeoftransport · 2025-04-01T21:16:25+00:00

Thread after thread of pulling apart Harry and Meghan. 0.1% discussing what Andrew did? What is going on with MN?

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 12:25

Hampshire is obviously covering his back big time. Not my fault, guv.

KC too.

As ever he's the victim of a ghastly debacle inflicted by others 🙄

Munnygirl · 05/04/2025 12:31

glitterturd · 05/04/2025 10:02

I haven't gone on at length about Helen Mirren movies which are totally irrelevant. Why don't you tag these people?

Apologies @glitterturd that was my fault bringing her up. I didn’t mean to change direction of the thread

TulipTiptoer · 05/04/2025 12:39

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 12:25

Hampshire is obviously covering his back big time. Not my fault, guv.

KC too.

As ever he's the victim of a ghastly debacle inflicted by others 🙄

Yes, it's always someone else's fault isn't it...

It wears a bit thin after a while to be frank.

I imagine the aides are scrabbling around like headless chickens at the moment, trying to minimise the fallout of this. Charles being king and implicated in this - the headlines are all 'the king dragged into...' and 'Charles drawn into...' and 'King Charles entangled..'
Does the man not have advisers?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2025 12:53

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 12:25

Hampshire is obviously covering his back big time. Not my fault, guv.

KC too.

As ever he's the victim of a ghastly debacle inflicted by others 🙄

Only what I'd expect, Cathy - see also Peter Ball and so much more

On the subject of the RF not being discussed in parliament though, it hasn't always been adhered to. I'm old enough to remember staunch anti-monarchist Willie Hamilton and his "parasite" remarks about Princess Margaret and others, though admittedly I don't know if there was any sanction as a result

It was also Willie Hamilton who delivered the brilliant one-liner when William was born: "It's a lovely name and I'm sure they had me in mind when they chose it"

glitterturd · 05/04/2025 13:01

That's ok @Munnygirl . I had moved away but @Tomatotater resurrected it all .

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2025 13:19

People like Hampshire and Fawcett are employed to fall on their sword in the service of the RF

Otherwise known as whipping boys, @Tomatotater, though Fawcett did seem to bounce on and off that sword rather a lot
And who's to know whether he really has finally gone or is still lurking in the background providing "services" to Charles?

Tomatotater · 05/04/2025 14:23

When people ask me why I am
a Republican it’s on principle but a large part is also to do with lack of transparency over finances; an elected head of state could be held accountable over something like this.
I'm not even particularly a Republican. Not because I think a Monarchy is a great system but just because replacing it with a ceremonial HoS is a bit pointless, and they are useful for soft power. But really they should not be allowed to take the piss as they do. They are incredibly privileged. That should be enough for them, but when they want to enrich themselves further they should be accountable to us. They should not be allowed to pick and choose what laws they want to follow. If they do dodgy things they need to be publicly accountable. The culture of deference and favours in this country stems from them and means that Patliament and the press will do their bidding, when their actual role is to hold them to account. This is for their benefit too. They are not a bright family. They need to be forced to listen to advisors. Holding them to account for their actions should force them to do that. At the moment they get dazzled by the shiny things knowing that there are no end of forelock tugging fall guys willing to throw themselves under the bus for them so they can do what they like with little thought to the consequences.

Mightymoog · 05/04/2025 16:30

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 12:25

Hampshire is obviously covering his back big time. Not my fault, guv.

KC too.

As ever he's the victim of a ghastly debacle inflicted by others 🙄

yeah, shame isn't it.
he's always being dragged into things that have nothing to do with him..

Mightymoog · 05/04/2025 16:30

Tomatotater · 05/04/2025 14:23

When people ask me why I am
a Republican it’s on principle but a large part is also to do with lack of transparency over finances; an elected head of state could be held accountable over something like this.
I'm not even particularly a Republican. Not because I think a Monarchy is a great system but just because replacing it with a ceremonial HoS is a bit pointless, and they are useful for soft power. But really they should not be allowed to take the piss as they do. They are incredibly privileged. That should be enough for them, but when they want to enrich themselves further they should be accountable to us. They should not be allowed to pick and choose what laws they want to follow. If they do dodgy things they need to be publicly accountable. The culture of deference and favours in this country stems from them and means that Patliament and the press will do their bidding, when their actual role is to hold them to account. This is for their benefit too. They are not a bright family. They need to be forced to listen to advisors. Holding them to account for their actions should force them to do that. At the moment they get dazzled by the shiny things knowing that there are no end of forelock tugging fall guys willing to throw themselves under the bus for them so they can do what they like with little thought to the consequences.

sounds like you're a republican to me!

TulipTiptoer · 05/04/2025 17:06

I am reading an article in the Times that says the Chinese spy attended functions at Royal Lodge, (Andrew's birthday party), St. James's Palace, Windsor Castle, and Buckingham Palace.

Honestly, this is no different to Epstein and Maxwell poncing around at Balmoral, Sandringham, sitting on thrones at Buckingham Palace and all of that.

It seems to me that Andrew did exactly what he wanted when he wanted, and with who he wanted, and no one pulled him up on anything.

Spectre8 · 05/04/2025 17:46

Having access like thay, could of easily bugged the place with listening devices. Including the room the prime minster is shown to when he meets the king.

So I can see why intelligence services were very concerned.

We had a cybersecuity mini expo at our workplace and talking to some of the companies their stories abojt how other countries have been inserting spies into companies to steal data etc. It was quite eye opening.

Andrew is an utter twit.

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 05/04/2025 18:11

glitterturd · 05/04/2025 13:01

That's ok @Munnygirl . I had moved away but @Tomatotater resurrected it all .

Fwiw I wasn’t referring to your posts Munnygirl but Glitterturd’s post yesterday @ 10.22

Anyway, to focus on the subject of the thread again, I agree, it does seem extraordinary TulipTiptoer that, having allowed Epstein access to BP etc, that the same pattern was allowed to be repeated with the Chinese spy relatively recently. It seems that no one was clipping Andrew’s wings inside the RF?

Is it a step too far to infer from that, that others other then PA were benefiting from the connection? It probably is. But maybe some core members of the RF turned a blind eye bc they were content to see him become financially buoyant again? That is speculation on my part though.

Also, agree about the likes of Hampshire and Fawcett falling on their sword; it makes you wonder what’s in it for them? The pay at BP is notoriously poor. What favours are done for them in return for their loyalty I wonder?

And most importantly, can BP continue to remain silent on this issue? What are the next steps? AL’s book can’t come too soon imho.

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 05/04/2025 18:35

Also, reflecting on the Andrew problem,
it reminds me of issues that can arise in family businesses if you are not too careful.

Roles are not properly defined. Siblings fall out or ignore one another. They sometimes cover for one another’s weaknesses. Decisions are made with sentiment rather than acumen. Tensions build up. The non-family members of the company are afraid to speak out. Problematic issues are left to fester without action for long periods of time.

Prince Philip tried to characterise the family aspect of monarchy as an asset. I think I remember him being interviewed saying that one of the benefits was that power wasn’t concentrated in one person.

If that’s the case then the problem that is Andrew needs to be dealt with collectively by ‘The Firm’. There should be no buck -passing. King Charles should have acted before now. And I must admit to have been really shocked to see PA alongside William, being driven to church. It looked like an endorsement, rather than a reprimand.

Mightymoog · 05/04/2025 20:06

Why would Charles and William act against him when they are as greedy and corrupt as he is?

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 20:13

Tomatotater · 05/04/2025 14:23

When people ask me why I am
a Republican it’s on principle but a large part is also to do with lack of transparency over finances; an elected head of state could be held accountable over something like this.
I'm not even particularly a Republican. Not because I think a Monarchy is a great system but just because replacing it with a ceremonial HoS is a bit pointless, and they are useful for soft power. But really they should not be allowed to take the piss as they do. They are incredibly privileged. That should be enough for them, but when they want to enrich themselves further they should be accountable to us. They should not be allowed to pick and choose what laws they want to follow. If they do dodgy things they need to be publicly accountable. The culture of deference and favours in this country stems from them and means that Patliament and the press will do their bidding, when their actual role is to hold them to account. This is for their benefit too. They are not a bright family. They need to be forced to listen to advisors. Holding them to account for their actions should force them to do that. At the moment they get dazzled by the shiny things knowing that there are no end of forelock tugging fall guys willing to throw themselves under the bus for them so they can do what they like with little thought to the consequences.

"Come to the dark side. We have cookies" 🍪

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 20:15

TulipTiptoer · 05/04/2025 17:06

I am reading an article in the Times that says the Chinese spy attended functions at Royal Lodge, (Andrew's birthday party), St. James's Palace, Windsor Castle, and Buckingham Palace.

Honestly, this is no different to Epstein and Maxwell poncing around at Balmoral, Sandringham, sitting on thrones at Buckingham Palace and all of that.

It seems to me that Andrew did exactly what he wanted when he wanted, and with who he wanted, and no one pulled him up on anything.

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Andrew was adept at spiriting people in and out of palaces.

There's still no adequate explanation of why and how the brown-nosing Beckhams were able to host a private 'princess party' at BP for their daughter.

glitterturd · 05/04/2025 20:22

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 05/04/2025 18:11

Fwiw I wasn’t referring to your posts Munnygirl but Glitterturd’s post yesterday @ 10.22

Anyway, to focus on the subject of the thread again, I agree, it does seem extraordinary TulipTiptoer that, having allowed Epstein access to BP etc, that the same pattern was allowed to be repeated with the Chinese spy relatively recently. It seems that no one was clipping Andrew’s wings inside the RF?

Is it a step too far to infer from that, that others other then PA were benefiting from the connection? It probably is. But maybe some core members of the RF turned a blind eye bc they were content to see him become financially buoyant again? That is speculation on my part though.

Also, agree about the likes of Hampshire and Fawcett falling on their sword; it makes you wonder what’s in it for them? The pay at BP is notoriously poor. What favours are done for them in return for their loyalty I wonder?

And most importantly, can BP continue to remain silent on this issue? What are the next steps? AL’s book can’t come too soon imho.

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Gosh you are a funny one ☝️

TulipTiptoer · 05/04/2025 20:29

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 20:15

Andrew was adept at spiriting people in and out of palaces.

There's still no adequate explanation of why and how the brown-nosing Beckhams were able to host a private 'princess party' at BP for their daughter.

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Oh yes!
I forgot this. Just pathetic

And most importantly, can BP continue to remain silent on this issue? What are the next steps? AL’s book can’t come too soon imho.

Absolutely!

This is worth a read.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/whitehall-cover-up-of-prince-andrew-files-exposed/

Whitehall cover-up of Prince Andrew files exposed

Documents on the Duke of York’s time as a taxpayer-funded trade envoy are being blocked from public scrutiny

https://www.declassifieduk.org/whitehall-cover-up-of-prince-andrew-files-exposed/

BasiliskStare · 05/04/2025 20:33

@CathyorClaire - Sadly I remember this. Apparently it was a private tea party hosted by the Yorks to which the Beckhams and some of Harper's friends were invited. It caused a bit of a kerfuffle at the time. Although the York's were allowed to invite people privately to the Palace (where I think Andrew was living at the time - haven't checked ) but taking photos in the Quadrangle or whatever it's called was frowned upon. I think they'd have got away with it if the pesky Beckhams hadn't put it all over their SM. I suspect for other reasons DB is not so friendly with Andrew now.

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 20:37

Also, agree about the likes of Hampshire and Fawcett falling on their sword; it makes you wonder what’s in it for them? The pay at BP is notoriously poor. What favours are done for them in return for their loyalty I wonder?

I'll add Amanda Thirsk to the list. Binned after Newsnight but had murkily trousered some £350k from Charmless's charitable trust before the payments fell foul of the Charity Commission's regulations.

www.thirdsector.co.uk/duke-yorks-charity-broke-law-paying-trustee-350000/governance/article/1685723

Allegedly still working in his behalf in...oh, China:

https://archive.ph/61GMQ

Samcro · 05/04/2025 20:43

It still rankles that PA got to dress up at the coronation and Harry who is no where as bad was treated so poorly.

TheAutumnCrow · 05/04/2025 20:46

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2025 10:31

I’m tempted to post the photo but …

No need, @Itsbeenlabelledhasntit; it's already seared into the retinas of many of us

As for raising these issues in the Commons, how convenient that protocol suggests the RF shouldn't be discussed ... and how predictable

It's crap. I'm with the Labour Peer George Foulkes.

www.thenational.scot/news/24903534.ban-mps-scrutinising-royals-must-changed-says-labour-peer/

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 20:49

Samcro · 05/04/2025 20:43

It still rankles that PA got to dress up at the coronation and Harry who is no where as bad was treated so poorly.

TBF fur trimmed velvet curtains aren't a good look for anyone.

This one (did he ever qualify for said curtains?) might be deemed to have dodged a sartorial bullet 😎

TulipTiptoer · 05/04/2025 20:50

CathyorClaire · 05/04/2025 20:49

TBF fur trimmed velvet curtains aren't a good look for anyone.

This one (did he ever qualify for said curtains?) might be deemed to have dodged a sartorial bullet 😎

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Don't forget the huuuuge bows on the shoulders! He looked like a complete tit

TheAutumnCrow · 05/04/2025 20:56

BemusedAmerican · 05/04/2025 11:58

The Vintage Read did a long online interview with Andrew Lownie a few weeks ago. He's concentrating on PA and Fergie 's finances in the new book. It's worth listening to - I'm going to buy the book when it comes out.

I've never understood why HLMTQ wasn't tougher with PA.

I'm planning on buying on buying and reading this book too, @BemusedAmerican. Looking forward to it. Andrew Lownie had a bloody awful time fighting for access to archives and documents on the Yorks (all of them) but persevered to the best of his ability - he's a trained historian, and he's thorough.