All the focus on H & M - where's the outrage against Andrew?

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Thread after thread of pulling apart Harry and Meghan. 0.1% discussing what Andrew did?

What is going on with MN?

Something tells me someone is desperately trying to derail a very valid discussion on something that has been on BBC News and in many different media outlets.

Just incidentally, it's not just the Guardian who made a legal challenge to have these documents uncovered. Other media organisations did too.

Is the Palace telling porkies?

This from the Telegraph...

The King held secret meetings with the Duke of York about his plans for a Chinese investment scheme run by an alleged spy.
A witness statement provided to an immigration tribunal by Dominic Hampshire, a senior adviser to Prince Andrew, claims that the King was aware of an investment fund in which Yang Tengbo, an alleged spy, was directly involved.
Mr Hampshire states that he and the Duke were twice smuggled into Windsor Castle for clandestine meetings with the King during which the Eurasia Fund was discussed.

So Charles knew nothing about him.... I don't think so

You are over thinking things. I'm merely mimicking the types of posts you see elsewhere on the RF board but as I said it's ok for some to say. More of the do as I say but not as I do mentality. I'm not answering all of the posters who have jumped to @spectre8's defence. 😂

How childish.

It's not even speculation when the our own intelligence service MI5 have briefed them that he a spy. That they should not get mixed up with him.

Mimicking is it now? 😆

With respect glitterturd you have posted photos of a zebra and Jack Nicholson

You’ve quoted Helen Mirren at length

I wouldn’t call those posts entirely relevant to this discussion

I haven't gone on at length about Helen Mirren movies which are totally irrelevant. Why don't you tag these people?

Let's get back to the subject shall we?

The thread title is about ... where's the outrage against Andrew. And that is what I have been posting about. I'm outraged that despite some very hard work covering all this up, different media outlets have managed to gain access to these documents.

I am taken aback at the Telegraph's hard line on it given they are normally very pro Royal

Yang (the spy) was a junior partner in the Eurasia Fund owning a third of the company which was incorporated in 2022

Hampshire says he had meetings and discussed the Eurasia Fund with advisers to QE2 and Charles.

• The Palace disputes some claims in the released testimony, stating their records don't match the account and the Eurasia Fund never received royal approval.

There is a lot of contradictory statements going on

I don't know about throwing Andrew under a bus, but to borrow the old phrase "well they would say that wouldn't they?"

However stupid it was to accept the word of such an oaf I can just about see the late Queen accepting Andrew's assurances that it would "help Britain", but you'd hope something would have been learned from the mess he made of the trade envoy role

Apparently not though, and looking on the bright side at least this offers something new to say about the fool

Edited to add that if the records "don't match" then they'll be changed, and if even that doesn't work they'll be sealed ... you know, like so much else

Yes the Palace can no longer argue that they were ignorant about these matters. It’s all so relatively recent as well.

Let’s see if the bubble of protection around the main players in the RF is burst on this occasion or if they remain silent? Either way, it’s all building a picture imho.

When people ask me why I am
a Republican it’s on principle but a large part is also to do with lack of transparency over finances; an elected head of state could be held accountable over something like this.

I wonder if PA’s connections in China is linked to Peter Phillips appearance in an advertisement for milk for a Chinese company
Bright Food. Wasn’t that in 2020? I always thought it was a rather strange collaboration for someone who works in sports promotion?

Yes Puzzled and I always think it must be like an iceberg with Andrew. We see the small bit above the water of his 'activities'... think what's below the water.. much much more.

itsbeenlabelled yes it was 2020. That was an awful look for Peter Phillips. Posing with footman and a Palace in the background. I wonder about the chinese connection with Andrew, but I imagine Andrew only looks after himself and not the wider family...

I’m tempted to post the photo but … 😀

I agree with Puzzled that ongoing silence and the sealing of records is problematic and for that matter, anti-democratic.

This is definitely a subject which should be raised in the Commons for example.

www.thenational.scot/news/24795815.call-commons-rule-change-allow-mps-freely-discuss-royals/

I’m tempted to post the photo but …

No need, @Itsbeenlabelledhasntit; it's already seared into the retinas of many of us

As for raising these issues in the Commons, how convenient that protocol suggests the RF shouldn't be discussed ... and how predictable

That's an interesting article. It means that the Monarchy and members of the royal family can never be scrutinised or questioned in parliament.

I knew about this Erskine May fella... he did a great disservice writing a book in 1871 on parliamentary procedure that they still adhere to. Bonkers!

However stupid it was to accept the word of such an oaf I can just about see the late Queen accepting Andrew's assurances that it would "help Britain", but you'd hope something would have been learned from the mess he made of the trade envoy role
I mean, she had weekly meetings with the PM and armies of advisers. What were they doing? Or was she so enamoured with her son that she refused all advice about him? Courtiers have said that he refused to listen to anyone but TLQ and she always backed him up. She was the only one who could control him, and it seemed that she didn't do it.
It is an outrage that Parliament cannot discuss the RF. They represent us, not the most powerful family in the country!

People like Hampshire and Fawcett are employed to fall on their sword in the service of the RF. It is beyond belief that these people act unilaterally, and if they are, they shouldn't be. Their bosses ( Charles, Andrew) should be knowing what they are doing.

Yes. He would have kept an eye on him in the back of the car. Or he could have Bern kept an eye on by someone who isn't heir to the throne. Instead he had him sitting very much front seat, looking very at ease with him. He is very much not a pariah in his family. I doubt they even understand what he has done wrong.

Absolutely. And how many times was Fawcett re-employed? Two? Three? He was like an elastic band bouncing back. I presume Charles thought he could sneak him back and then it became public knowledge.

Hampshire is obviously covering his back big time. Not my fault, guv.

Do you actually not see the difference between Internet gossip and official court papers? Accusations of some courtiers making racist comments and matters of National Security that go right up to our Head of State? That cannot be discussed in Parliament? Thank God for the courts and the very few journalists who care more about investigating wrongdoing than their next dinner with Camilla!

Oh yes, I agree with this.

As Hampshire says...Andrew was "deeply trusted" within the Palace "at the highest level"

The highest level is the King.

I agree, they won't think Andrew has done anything wrong. They probably think he's just unlucky

I'm ignoring the obvious derailing and posting on the subject in hand.

I just don't understand this
"Mr. Hampshire later clarified that he kept the Palace and intelligence services informed of his dealings with Mr. Yang and that his business activities are no longer connected to the Royal family."

Surely this means that Charles DID know about Yang. How can he deny all knowledge.

Andrew managing to secure millions to carry on living at Royal Lodge will definitely have something to do with this. I hope the dots are joined in time.

The Vintage Read did a long online interview with Andrew Lownie a few weeks ago. He's concentrating on PA and Fergie 's finances in the new book. It's worth listening to - I'm going to buy the book when it comes out.

I've never understood why HLMTQ wasn't tougher with PA.

Of course he knew

Oh that's interesting Bemused. I'm going to read it when it comes out too. I bet the two of them are dreading it landing

Lownie says his wife has read the book (does this mean its publication is imminent?) and she was shocked at some of the revelations.

Andrew... you reap what you sow...

Worth pointing out that this has actually happened twice.

I've seen the first occasion excused as a case of turmoil surrounding TLQ's death despite royal access to fleets of top range motors at the drop of a hat and/or W simply doing as he's told (as if).

I can't remember the excuses for the second but a lack of concern for the optics alongside contempt for pleb opinion was the takeaway.