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All the focus on H & M - where's the outrage against Andrew?

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modeoftransport · 01/04/2025 22:16

Thread after thread of pulling apart Harry and Meghan. 0.1% discussing what Andrew did?

What is going on with MN?

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Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 12:16

PoppysAunt · 02/04/2025 22:23

Fair enough. I just don't understand people who are very much against the principles of monarchy, yet are avid supporters of Harry and Meghan. They're very Royal indeed, and the embodiment of all that unearned status, wealth and privilege.
I don't understand why some people on here would support some royals, and not others, it just seems strange to me.

Good question!

Let’s call it what it is!

Essentially, I think M&H are being crucified globally, for simply leaving the fold.

If anyone happens to be studying media relations or media studies while reading this thread, it must be an interesting exercise watching how the establishment circles the wagons!

There are significant elements of misogyny and racism thrown in too. It’s right up the Daily Mail’s street! You know this to be true when you see really nasty speculation about Meghan’s mum, who as far as I have observed, has behaved impeccably throughout.

I loathe social media pile ons of any kind and orchestrated smear campaigns. When you look at it across the world’s media platforms, there is no doubt it’s bullying, and when people talk about “Meghan’s bad timing” I would flip it and say, that the timing of some of the leaks isn’t entirely coincidental.

Lets’s be honest, they are being punished for challenging a concentrated hub of power in uk society.

Charles, despite doing some good things as king, has not reduced his property portfolio at all, in order to herald change, despite having inherited both his mother’s and grandmother’s properties. That is significant I think. In fact he has just bought the property next to Camilla’s house in order to solve a nosy neighbour issue!

Tbh this is more of a problem for William who, despite perhaps having genuinely good intentions, is vowing to end homelessness knowing that he is to inherit five or six estates, three or four castles and two cottages and half of Cornwall! Seriously, how can he expect to do this with any credibility? And yet the press don’t see this as a problem and prefer to report on Meghan’s jam! Why is that?

What further confirmed my Republicanism is the exemption in the law for royals, that applies to all of us ordinary mortals, that prevented Prince Philip’s and the late Queen’s wills from being published; yet another mechanism for concealing wealth.

All of this leads me to the conclusion that the monarchy is every bit about wealth and influence as much as it is about “serving” the country! At the very least, they should be subject to the very same laws and taxes as their subjects.

At least H & M have got away and are trying to make their own money. And I applaud them for that.

But rather it being a question of supporting H& M unconditionally and their behaviour, I think we need to look more critically at the “noise” directed at them and what purpose it serves. One is definitely monetary, as every click pays. But the other is diverting attention away from protected interests and privilege.

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 12:18

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 12:16

Good question!

Let’s call it what it is!

Essentially, I think M&H are being crucified globally, for simply leaving the fold.

If anyone happens to be studying media relations or media studies while reading this thread, it must be an interesting exercise watching how the establishment circles the wagons!

There are significant elements of misogyny and racism thrown in too. It’s right up the Daily Mail’s street! You know this to be true when you see really nasty speculation about Meghan’s mum, who as far as I have observed, has behaved impeccably throughout.

I loathe social media pile ons of any kind and orchestrated smear campaigns. When you look at it across the world’s media platforms, there is no doubt it’s bullying, and when people talk about “Meghan’s bad timing” I would flip it and say, that the timing of some of the leaks isn’t entirely coincidental.

Lets’s be honest, they are being punished for challenging a concentrated hub of power in uk society.

Charles, despite doing some good things as king, has not reduced his property portfolio at all, in order to herald change, despite having inherited both his mother’s and grandmother’s properties. That is significant I think. In fact he has just bought the property next to Camilla’s house in order to solve a nosy neighbour issue!

Tbh this is more of a problem for William who, despite perhaps having genuinely good intentions, is vowing to end homelessness knowing that he is to inherit five or six estates, three or four castles and two cottages and half of Cornwall! Seriously, how can he expect to do this with any credibility? And yet the press don’t see this as a problem and prefer to report on Meghan’s jam! Why is that?

What further confirmed my Republicanism is the exemption in the law for royals, that applies to all of us ordinary mortals, that prevented Prince Philip’s and the late Queen’s wills from being published; yet another mechanism for concealing wealth.

All of this leads me to the conclusion that the monarchy is every bit about wealth and influence as much as it is about “serving” the country! At the very least, they should be subject to the very same laws and taxes as their subjects.

At least H & M have got away and are trying to make their own money. And I applaud them for that.

But rather it being a question of supporting H& M unconditionally and their behaviour, I think we need to look more critically at the “noise” directed at them and what purpose it serves. One is definitely monetary, as every click pays. But the other is diverting attention away from protected interests and privilege.

It’s their behaviour since they left the fold that is commented on. Most people don’t give a rats ass that they left. They are also making money off the back of their royal connections so doesn’t this make them just as bad?

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 12:27

TulipTiptoer · 03/04/2025 10:27

I wanted to establish whether the 7,000 posts were actually about the thread titles . They weren't.

She did nothing wrong in the series. She didn't mention anything that could be picked up on.

I haven't mentioned her race. Interesting you took an instant dislike to her.

GTurd As for 'dancing while stirring'... I laughed at that. What a crime! You ought to see me on a Friday night (Friday night is wine night whilst cooking!) Yes, as I said, I expected a bit of criticism here and there. But nothing like what was on this forum.

Yes I thought her cooking series was carefully calibrated to be as uncontroversial, bland and inoffensive as possible, in order to demonstrate that she can actually fulfill the brief of any other royal wife!
😀

Tomatotater · 03/04/2025 12:29

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 12:16

Good question!

Let’s call it what it is!

Essentially, I think M&H are being crucified globally, for simply leaving the fold.

If anyone happens to be studying media relations or media studies while reading this thread, it must be an interesting exercise watching how the establishment circles the wagons!

There are significant elements of misogyny and racism thrown in too. It’s right up the Daily Mail’s street! You know this to be true when you see really nasty speculation about Meghan’s mum, who as far as I have observed, has behaved impeccably throughout.

I loathe social media pile ons of any kind and orchestrated smear campaigns. When you look at it across the world’s media platforms, there is no doubt it’s bullying, and when people talk about “Meghan’s bad timing” I would flip it and say, that the timing of some of the leaks isn’t entirely coincidental.

Lets’s be honest, they are being punished for challenging a concentrated hub of power in uk society.

Charles, despite doing some good things as king, has not reduced his property portfolio at all, in order to herald change, despite having inherited both his mother’s and grandmother’s properties. That is significant I think. In fact he has just bought the property next to Camilla’s house in order to solve a nosy neighbour issue!

Tbh this is more of a problem for William who, despite perhaps having genuinely good intentions, is vowing to end homelessness knowing that he is to inherit five or six estates, three or four castles and two cottages and half of Cornwall! Seriously, how can he expect to do this with any credibility? And yet the press don’t see this as a problem and prefer to report on Meghan’s jam! Why is that?

What further confirmed my Republicanism is the exemption in the law for royals, that applies to all of us ordinary mortals, that prevented Prince Philip’s and the late Queen’s wills from being published; yet another mechanism for concealing wealth.

All of this leads me to the conclusion that the monarchy is every bit about wealth and influence as much as it is about “serving” the country! At the very least, they should be subject to the very same laws and taxes as their subjects.

At least H & M have got away and are trying to make their own money. And I applaud them for that.

But rather it being a question of supporting H& M unconditionally and their behaviour, I think we need to look more critically at the “noise” directed at them and what purpose it serves. One is definitely monetary, as every click pays. But the other is diverting attention away from protected interests and privilege.

Excellent post. Totally agree. Who cares about Harry and Meghan? They are miles away from the Throne, have moaned about the Royals in ways other Royals have also done over the years and live in another country. If Charles didn't want them to use their titles, he would have taken them away sharpish. he didn't. If people were really concerned about Meghan being desperate for fame, they would not give her more publicity by trawling through every bit of social media and every project she does. If Harry and Meghan doing an Oprah interview is threatening to bring down the Monarchy, they are incredibly weak, so its not any of those things. So what is it?

TulipTiptoer · 03/04/2025 12:42

Well said. Such an interesting post and much I agree with. @Itsbeenlabelledhasntit

I agree that they are being crucified globally for leaving the fold and despite some people saying no one cares, they obviously do! It's not as if royals are leaving all the time, it was a kick in the teeth for some. Personally I think it was a brave move, it was never going to work.
Having said that they have done some spectacular own goals but not enough for this intensity and this level of dislike.
I read Spare... it really wasn't that bad! Yeah... bits should have been left out maybe, but it wasn't like some make it out to be.

And I think we have to bear in mind... we do not know what contact he has with his family. It could be more than we know about.

Yes, Charles has paid mega bucks for the grand house next to Camilla's in Wiltshire. The guy who owned it wanted to set up a wedding venue so Charles couldn't have that and paid over the odds for it. Camilla spends a lot of time there as opposed to the grand houses, royal estates and palaces she could be residing in!

All the royal family, even the extended family, must thank their lucky stars that Harry and Meghan left and the press, even years later, won't give up on the multi million pound industry around negative articles on them. It takes the pressure off anything done by the royal family, they must hope it goes on for years to take the spotlight of anything they are doing. Because there will be a lot we don't know but when the rags are writing countless articles about a netflix series done by a wife of a Royal who actually left years ago, there is no spotlight on them.

Vespanest · 03/04/2025 12:42

Mike Tindall is what he says on the tin Mike Tindall. That is completely different to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. If you want the normal life go and live it. Don't sell yourselves on the royalty of a country you don't particularly like, don't do "royal" tours, don't demand paid security over the bespoke package offered. If your choice is to do both then in my opinion you deserve criticism of hypocrisy and people to think your fake. The Netflix show did still add as a reminder of the hypocrisy from they tried to take my name to Oprah to call me Sussex. You tell your stories unfortunately people remember them

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 12:44

TulipTiptoer · 03/04/2025 12:42

Well said. Such an interesting post and much I agree with. @Itsbeenlabelledhasntit

I agree that they are being crucified globally for leaving the fold and despite some people saying no one cares, they obviously do! It's not as if royals are leaving all the time, it was a kick in the teeth for some. Personally I think it was a brave move, it was never going to work.
Having said that they have done some spectacular own goals but not enough for this intensity and this level of dislike.
I read Spare... it really wasn't that bad! Yeah... bits should have been left out maybe, but it wasn't like some make it out to be.

And I think we have to bear in mind... we do not know what contact he has with his family. It could be more than we know about.

Yes, Charles has paid mega bucks for the grand house next to Camilla's in Wiltshire. The guy who owned it wanted to set up a wedding venue so Charles couldn't have that and paid over the odds for it. Camilla spends a lot of time there as opposed to the grand houses, royal estates and palaces she could be residing in!

All the royal family, even the extended family, must thank their lucky stars that Harry and Meghan left and the press, even years later, won't give up on the multi million pound industry around negative articles on them. It takes the pressure off anything done by the royal family, they must hope it goes on for years to take the spotlight of anything they are doing. Because there will be a lot we don't know but when the rags are writing countless articles about a netflix series done by a wife of a Royal who actually left years ago, there is no spotlight on them.

Honestly people don’t care that they left. it’s what happened afterwards that is discussed.

Mylovelygreendress · 03/04/2025 12:46

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 12:16

Good question!

Let’s call it what it is!

Essentially, I think M&H are being crucified globally, for simply leaving the fold.

If anyone happens to be studying media relations or media studies while reading this thread, it must be an interesting exercise watching how the establishment circles the wagons!

There are significant elements of misogyny and racism thrown in too. It’s right up the Daily Mail’s street! You know this to be true when you see really nasty speculation about Meghan’s mum, who as far as I have observed, has behaved impeccably throughout.

I loathe social media pile ons of any kind and orchestrated smear campaigns. When you look at it across the world’s media platforms, there is no doubt it’s bullying, and when people talk about “Meghan’s bad timing” I would flip it and say, that the timing of some of the leaks isn’t entirely coincidental.

Lets’s be honest, they are being punished for challenging a concentrated hub of power in uk society.

Charles, despite doing some good things as king, has not reduced his property portfolio at all, in order to herald change, despite having inherited both his mother’s and grandmother’s properties. That is significant I think. In fact he has just bought the property next to Camilla’s house in order to solve a nosy neighbour issue!

Tbh this is more of a problem for William who, despite perhaps having genuinely good intentions, is vowing to end homelessness knowing that he is to inherit five or six estates, three or four castles and two cottages and half of Cornwall! Seriously, how can he expect to do this with any credibility? And yet the press don’t see this as a problem and prefer to report on Meghan’s jam! Why is that?

What further confirmed my Republicanism is the exemption in the law for royals, that applies to all of us ordinary mortals, that prevented Prince Philip’s and the late Queen’s wills from being published; yet another mechanism for concealing wealth.

All of this leads me to the conclusion that the monarchy is every bit about wealth and influence as much as it is about “serving” the country! At the very least, they should be subject to the very same laws and taxes as their subjects.

At least H & M have got away and are trying to make their own money. And I applaud them for that.

But rather it being a question of supporting H& M unconditionally and their behaviour, I think we need to look more critically at the “noise” directed at them and what purpose it serves. One is definitely monetary, as every click pays. But the other is diverting attention away from protected interests and privilege.

They never wanted to “ leave the fold” they wanted to pick and choose what they did .
It’s not them flouncing off that’s the problem it’s the behaviour since that grates on people.

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 12:46

Vespanest · 03/04/2025 12:42

Mike Tindall is what he says on the tin Mike Tindall. That is completely different to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. If you want the normal life go and live it. Don't sell yourselves on the royalty of a country you don't particularly like, don't do "royal" tours, don't demand paid security over the bespoke package offered. If your choice is to do both then in my opinion you deserve criticism of hypocrisy and people to think your fake. The Netflix show did still add as a reminder of the hypocrisy from they tried to take my name to Oprah to call me Sussex. You tell your stories unfortunately people remember them

This. I can’t remember the last time Mike Tindell went on a faux royal visit to anywhere.

TulipTiptoer · 03/04/2025 12:47

The Netflix show did still add as a reminder of the hypocrisy from they tried to take my name to Oprah to call me Sussex.

Was that the only faux pas in your eyes? If so, that means that the other seven and a half hours plus of the series was blameless!

It is their name you know. Like ex wife Sarah. York is her name. Like Andrew. Why can't they call themselves by their name?

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 12:48

TulipTiptoer · 03/04/2025 12:47

The Netflix show did still add as a reminder of the hypocrisy from they tried to take my name to Oprah to call me Sussex.

Was that the only faux pas in your eyes? If so, that means that the other seven and a half hours plus of the series was blameless!

It is their name you know. Like ex wife Sarah. York is her name. Like Andrew. Why can't they call themselves by their name?

It’s not their name, they adopted it for some very strange reason. Plus they said and did far more things than that to list here (plus it’s all been said before so non point clogging up the thread)

TulipTiptoer · 03/04/2025 12:48

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 12:46

This. I can’t remember the last time Mike Tindell went on a faux royal visit to anywhere.

No. He just goes on a tacky celeb reality show and talks about the royal family. 🤣

TulipTiptoer · 03/04/2025 12:49

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 12:48

It’s not their name, they adopted it for some very strange reason. Plus they said and did far more things than that to list here (plus it’s all been said before so non point clogging up the thread)

Edited

What is their name then?

What is Sarah's? And Andrew's?
I'm intrigued.

Tomatotater · 03/04/2025 12:52

PoppysAunt · 02/04/2025 22:23

Fair enough. I just don't understand people who are very much against the principles of monarchy, yet are avid supporters of Harry and Meghan. They're very Royal indeed, and the embodiment of all that unearned status, wealth and privilege.
I don't understand why some people on here would support some royals, and not others, it just seems strange to me.

I agree. But I don't see that at all ( I have no idea about the batshit Sussex Squad). I'm not an avid supporter of Harry and Meghan, I just think the obsession with them and particularly Meghan is over the top, when everything they ahve said about the Royals is down to Harry. The things Harry gets criticised for are things the rest of the RF do. Especially when it comes to his privileged behaviour! He is a product of his family. As if none of the other kids have ever done drugs! There have been loads of stories about Princess Beatrice ( or Eugenie) snorting Coke at clubs. Same with Princess Margaret. Andrew's behaviour with staff has just been revealed after decades of him being a dick. I don't believe he somehow managed to get away with it but it just happens that he was the only one, yet no one pulled him aside? They are all massively privileged, play around with charity work while sitting on huge piles of cash. The only difference is that the rest of them toe the line and don't rock the boat. Harry was stupid to do so, thinking he was more than just a member of the Royal Family, and could make it on his own. Harry's just realised what the rest of them know. That they would not be able to survive without the entire system of Monarchy holding them up.

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 12:54

TulipTiptoer · 03/04/2025 12:48

No. He just goes on a tacky celeb reality show and talks about the royal family. 🤣

maybe but he still does not do the faux royal tours now does he which is far worse in my opinion

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 13:01

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 12:18

It’s their behaviour since they left the fold that is commented on. Most people don’t give a rats ass that they left. They are also making money off the back of their royal connections so doesn’t this make them just as bad?

Edited

I don’t think that’s entirely accurate.

I think some people within the establishment care very much that they left because it opens up all sorts of debates about the Royals and finances that they would rather not be aired.

There simply wouldn’t be this volume and intensity of vitriol aimed at them if no one cared!

And Harry, being the son of the King, and brother of the POW meant that their departure was a direct body blow to the institution as a whole. Even more so when
he dared to criticise it. It’s not just me who thinks this, many royal reporters have commented on this.

As stated previously, I don’t think Harry’s objectives in publishing Spare were solely financial, even though he made a packet off it, and donated £1.2 million of the profits to Sentabale. I think it was fair enough that he had the opportunity to tell his side.

Harry always consistently said that he wanted a record of his life out there, as so many aspects of it had previously been reported incorrectly and journalists had effectively spoken for him since childhood. The idea was that if he put every detail in there, then there would be nothing left to report on, which in hindsight was a very naive wish! Ditto Oprah!

They have moved on now though and are making series about polo and cooking.

Also, he is always going to be, biologically speaking, the son of the king and brother of the heir. It’s an unavoidable fact as long as monarchy exists, which I hope is not too much longer!

PoppysAunt · 03/04/2025 13:06

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 12:27

Yes I thought her cooking series was carefully calibrated to be as uncontroversial, bland and inoffensive as possible, in order to demonstrate that she can actually fulfill the brief of any other royal wife!
😀

Other royal wives are supporting campaigns for literacy, disability and action against violence against women.

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 13:06

His was Mountbatten Windsor and he also adopted the surname of York when he became a duke ( personally I think again this is a very odd thing to do). He was however at that time (and Sarah before the divorce) a serving member of the RF and this is what they seem to do as tradition. I don’t know why they do it. But here we have Harry and Megan no longer serving but partaking in what appears to be a royal family tradition for a family who they criticise and despise. Why don’t they start their own tradition and keep his original surname which is either Mountbatten Windsor or Wales (when he was in the army) or use hers? As it stands it shows their desperation to keep any links to the RF as this is their money shot

Vespanest · 03/04/2025 13:09

I do like the Mike Tindall comparison, Harry would be absolutely fuming at being described with Mike and Zara. Imagine the RAVEC but Mike doesn't get armed police protection, Harry would be the first to argue that there is no comparison. This is a bloke who saw Meghan not invited to the death bed as a slight and was more concerned about Catherine than his cousins, the Queens grandchildren not being invited.

Munnygirl · 03/04/2025 13:14

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 13:01

I don’t think that’s entirely accurate.

I think some people within the establishment care very much that they left because it opens up all sorts of debates about the Royals and finances that they would rather not be aired.

There simply wouldn’t be this volume and intensity of vitriol aimed at them if no one cared!

And Harry, being the son of the King, and brother of the POW meant that their departure was a direct body blow to the institution as a whole. Even more so when
he dared to criticise it. It’s not just me who thinks this, many royal reporters have commented on this.

As stated previously, I don’t think Harry’s objectives in publishing Spare were solely financial, even though he made a packet off it, and donated £1.2 million of the profits to Sentabale. I think it was fair enough that he had the opportunity to tell his side.

Harry always consistently said that he wanted a record of his life out there, as so many aspects of it had previously been reported incorrectly and journalists had effectively spoken for him since childhood. The idea was that if he put every detail in there, then there would be nothing left to report on, which in hindsight was a very naive wish! Ditto Oprah!

They have moved on now though and are making series about polo and cooking.

Also, he is always going to be, biologically speaking, the son of the king and brother of the heir. It’s an unavoidable fact as long as monarchy exists, which I hope is not too much longer!

People don’t really care what the so called establishment thinks either. I think you are placing far too much importance one one person. I don’t believe that he only “wrote” his book as he wanted to tell his side of the story. I think of course he did it for the money and the publicity l. Life in California must be expensive and yes even though he is rich by ordinary standards in order to maintain that life style you have to keep adding to the coffers. If he had done this by getting an honest job without all the bellyaching /lying he would have been far better off and dare I say respected now. It that is not the path they chose

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 13:17

Maybe not a faux charity tour but the Tindalls visit Australia’s Gold Coast every year sponsored by the Magic Millions organisation.

I’m not sure that many run of the mill eventers and ex rugby players get such lucrative gigs do they?

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/royal-news/zara-mike-tindall-wow-fans-9838712#

And have a look at their partners!

Quelle surprise! One of them is Sky Racing! Well who would have thunk it!

https://www.magicmillions.com.au/partners/

Partners | Magic Millions

https://www.magicmillions.com.au/partners/

kirinm · 03/04/2025 13:21

PoppysAunt · 03/04/2025 11:20

Never seen or heard? Well, she's had an extraordinarly high profile in that case, effectively 5 years post RF of sharing her life.

And she gets destroyed on this forum for it every single day.

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 13:22

PoppysAunt · 03/04/2025 13:06

Other royal wives are supporting campaigns for literacy, disability and action against violence against women.

Yes they are supporting causes to empower women while living off centuries of wealth inherited by men.

TulipTiptoer · 03/04/2025 13:23

Itsbeenlabelledhasntit · 03/04/2025 13:17

Maybe not a faux charity tour but the Tindalls visit Australia’s Gold Coast every year sponsored by the Magic Millions organisation.

I’m not sure that many run of the mill eventers and ex rugby players get such lucrative gigs do they?

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/royal-news/zara-mike-tindall-wow-fans-9838712#

And have a look at their partners!

Quelle surprise! One of them is Sky Racing! Well who would have thunk it!

https://www.magicmillions.com.au/partners/

Yes, they go over there every year, and are snapped having a blast, a little bit too much given some of the pics! Harry's mate Nacho, the polo player is often pictured with them.

There has been talk they might move over there, but I doubt they will, because the kudos, endorsements and benefits of being under the royal umbrella is far far too lucrative.

PoppysAunt · 03/04/2025 13:24

I don't care about Zara and Mike Tindall. They have both shown hard work and talent as sports people, and yes, the royal connection has helped them. So? That's life.
They've not written books, made tv shows, given interviews etc complaining about their victimhood and misfortune. They haven't lied about the RF and they haven't gone on quasi royal tours, inspecting troops and hearing the (UK) National Anthem.
They are not trying to get UK taxpayers to pay for top level security and they're not trying to get IPP status.

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