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JandamiHash · 26/03/2025 16:27

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 16:24

Why is Beyond the pale (pole aka boundary) considered racists? Is it an objection to ‘othering’? Is ‘crossing the line’ also racist? Or has someone jumped on the word ‘pale’ and a lack of understanding of languages and assumed it was a reference to colour not boundary stakes?

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I always thought it referred to the pale being a fence and it meant ‘crossing a boundary’.

Some people think even mentioning a skin colour is racist mind so I take everything with a pinch of salt.

jeffgoldblum · 26/03/2025 16:28

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 16:24

Why is Beyond the pale (pole aka boundary) considered racists? Is it an objection to ‘othering’? Is ‘crossing the line’ also racist? Or has someone jumped on the word ‘pale’ and a lack of understanding of languages and assumed it was a reference to colour not boundary stakes?

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It’s something ( and those in the know please forgive my rubbish explanation! ) to do with a battle or slaughter of Irish people, it was explained properly but I’m rubbish at remembering or explaining things !

Thedom · 26/03/2025 16:33

This is what I understood the origin of 'beyond the Pale' to be, my dad often used that phrase to say something was out of order/not right/ a bit extreme or taking advantage of something.

In the late Middle Ages, the English controlled a relatively small area around Dublin in Ireland, known as "the Pale". This area was considered the area of English rule and law, and anything outside of it was considered beyond the pale, meaning beyond the reach of English authority and law

PigeonDress · 26/03/2025 16:34

IdaGlossop · 26/03/2025 16:06

To what extent would the palace now act, though, to negotiate redactions to preserve Harry's reputation?

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I've no idea. There obviously shouldn't be any opportunity for the RF to exert undue influence over a government body. If the CC uncover something that the government deems shouldn't be made public, I assume there are procedures to be followed about this. Saving Harry from embarrassment or even an implication of wrongdoing shouldn't stop information being made public.

prelovedusername · 26/03/2025 16:36

bluegreygreen · 26/03/2025 16:25

As per a poster above who has checked with Companies House, there is a separate board of directors as well as trustees (as charities are usually constructed) so presumably the charity would still be able to function.

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The directors (of a charitable company) are the trustees. They call the shots and determine strategy. Employees (who may have a Director job title) answer to them.

RedToothBrush · 26/03/2025 16:37

What the going gets tough...

... just quit because you didn't believe in the cause enough and you are rich enough to walk away.

The end.

bluegreygreen · 26/03/2025 16:40

prelovedusername · 26/03/2025 16:36

The directors (of a charitable company) are the trustees. They call the shots and determine strategy. Employees (who may have a Director job title) answer to them.

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Ah, that may be my misunderstanding, then

JessicaBlabbit · 26/03/2025 16:42

Thedom · 26/03/2025 16:33

This is what I understood the origin of 'beyond the Pale' to be, my dad often used that phrase to say something was out of order/not right/ a bit extreme or taking advantage of something.

In the late Middle Ages, the English controlled a relatively small area around Dublin in Ireland, known as "the Pale". This area was considered the area of English rule and law, and anything outside of it was considered beyond the pale, meaning beyond the reach of English authority and law

Yes its those two things - an expression of something disgusting ie not English and therefore the uncivilized, disgusting, indigenous, colonised Irish population. Thats why its offensive.

Thedom · 26/03/2025 16:45

JessicaBlabbit · 26/03/2025 16:42

Yes its those two things - an expression of something disgusting ie not English and therefore the uncivilized, disgusting, indigenous, colonised Irish population. Thats why its offensive.

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That makes total sense now that you explain it, I never knew that and I am sure my dad didn't realise either, it obviously became a colloquial term over the centuries.

glitterturd · 26/03/2025 16:46

Weepixie · 26/03/2025 15:58

Where can I find site stuff pls? I’d like to read the rules about what’s considered not on.

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Someone has linked it.

prelovedusername · 26/03/2025 16:52

bluegreygreen · 26/03/2025 16:40

Ah, that may be my misunderstanding, then

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Easily done. And tbf I haven’t looked into this particular charity and how it’s set up. I can only comment on the general principles.

Mightymoog · 26/03/2025 16:55

PippistrelleBat · 26/03/2025 16:24

Why is Beyond the pale (pole aka boundary) considered racists? Is it an objection to ‘othering’? Is ‘crossing the line’ also racist? Or has someone jumped on the word ‘pale’ and a lack of understanding of languages and assumed it was a reference to colour not boundary stakes?

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who knows but I'm adding it to my list of things I'll carry on saying .

jeffgoldblum · 26/03/2025 16:58

Mightymoog · 26/03/2025 16:55

who knows but I'm adding it to my list of things I'll carry on saying .

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Ummm moog … as a republican you may wish to read the linked explanation.

Mightymoog · 26/03/2025 16:58

JessicaBlabbit · 26/03/2025 16:42

Yes its those two things - an expression of something disgusting ie not English and therefore the uncivilized, disgusting, indigenous, colonised Irish population. Thats why its offensive.

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no, it's not offensive at all

Mightymoog · 26/03/2025 17:01

jeffgoldblum · 26/03/2025 16:58

Ummm moog … as a republican you may wish to read the linked explanation.

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yes, I know where the expression comes from but am so heartily fed up of people taking offence over perfectly normal phrases that I may start using some of them just to annoy them!
Or would that be beyond the pale?

JandamiHash · 26/03/2025 17:08

Mightymoog · 26/03/2025 17:01

yes, I know where the expression comes from but am so heartily fed up of people taking offence over perfectly normal phrases that I may start using some of them just to annoy them!
Or would that be beyond the pale?

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I don’t mind stopping using phrases AT ALL…if the concept of doing so is consistent.

But I’ll be buggered if I let people get away with insults against me (Karen) when the same people stamp their feet that I MUST stop using certain phrases because it offends them. Life doesn’t work that way.

MaturingCheeseball · 26/03/2025 17:09

I always remember a poster combusting because someone used the word “nincompoop”. The word has an utterly blameless origin, but they didn’t like the sound of it and were thus offended.

It is a new aggression to leap on old expressions with glee and claim they are literal, eg “You couldn’t swing a cat in there” met with, “Are you suggesting it’s acceptable to swing a cat?”

Weepixie · 26/03/2025 17:13

I’m going to file the explanation of beyond the pale in the same file I keep the explanation of why me saying MSG gives me a headache is racist.

CrescentMoonDancing · 26/03/2025 17:17

MaturingCheeseball · 26/03/2025 17:09

I always remember a poster combusting because someone used the word “nincompoop”. The word has an utterly blameless origin, but they didn’t like the sound of it and were thus offended.

It is a new aggression to leap on old expressions with glee and claim they are literal, eg “You couldn’t swing a cat in there” met with, “Are you suggesting it’s acceptable to swing a cat?”

Im pretty sure the origins of this is about a type of whip called a cat rather than the feline moggy… Google says it’s thought to allude to a cat-o’-nine-tails, a whip used to punish in the British military. But, another good example where the original meaning has been lost to common knowledge.

jeffgoldblum · 26/03/2025 17:22

Mightymoog · 26/03/2025 17:01

yes, I know where the expression comes from but am so heartily fed up of people taking offence over perfectly normal phrases that I may start using some of them just to annoy them!
Or would that be beyond the pale?

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I understand the sentiment. You do you .

GiveMeSpanakopita · 26/03/2025 17:41

Well, MN-ers, Dr Chandauka has come as close as her lawyers will let her to accusing Harry and the other trustees of financial mismanagement, racism, bullying and cavalier behaviour with the charity's funds.

There's two sides to every story of course but the Charity Commission doesn't get involved unless it deems there's something serious going on.

I shall watch with interest; I sense it's going to get a lot hotter from hereon in....

Weepixie · 26/03/2025 17:43

@GiveMeSpanakopita - I’ve been wondering where you were. Your presence has been sorely missed.

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