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As Ever #2 Whatever

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PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 19/02/2025 15:54

I noticed the old thread is almost full so thought we could start a new one to carry on the discussion about the rebrand and merching.

Are you an ‘As Ever’ or ‘Whatever’?

link to the old thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5277002-as-ever

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jeffgoldblum · 19/02/2025 16:33

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User14March · 19/02/2025 17:24

How much money have Netflix given/advanced her do we think?

angelinawasrobbed · 19/02/2025 17:32

As If ….

User14March · 19/02/2025 17:42

I am interested in their net worth, presumably Harry has an income/money to come? Are these projects about a need to generate wealth?

Vespanest · 19/02/2025 17:49

I am curious if the name was a deliberate ploy to create headline as it is a gift to the media for a play on words, the headlines will write themselves or was is purely stupidity

HeddaGarbled · 19/02/2025 17:55

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IcedPurple · 19/02/2025 17:57

User14March · 19/02/2025 17:42

I am interested in their net worth, presumably Harry has an income/money to come? Are these projects about a need to generate wealth?

You'd think she'd take a bit more care if so.

Clearly they are never going to be poor but it's hard to see how they can live a Montecito lifestyle going forward. I don't think selling jam in Netflix merch shops is going to cut it.

User14March · 19/02/2025 18:22

@IcedPurple she calls Netflix her 'partners' so my thinking is they've dropped millions? I wonder how much the Montecito lifestyle really costs to maintain

User14March · 19/02/2025 18:27

@HeddaGarbled I wasn't that well versed with 'The Tig' but it did seem to be far more interesting and authentic as article suggests. If she tapped back into that she might be on to a winner. Finding hidden gems, championing local fashion houses, jewellery entrepreneurs, etc, fab authors looking for a platform (Reese Witherspoon). Real philanthropy. Championing a second language for kids and an academic focus. Etc. A good point made above on the 'large platform' but not enough to fill it. Is she private and seeking refuge in the bland so doesn't have to be scarily personal?

I find Gwyneth, same wealth bracket (?), to be far more intelligent and stylish and rather alarmingly perhaps, 'real'.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 19/02/2025 18:33

“‘As ever’,” writes the duchess on Instagram, “means ‘as it’s always been’ or some even say ‘in the same way as always’,” the “some” in this sentence apparently referring to the dictionary definition of a two-word phrase that no one has ever had trouble understanding.

Harsh.

Thedom · 19/02/2025 18:36

My god, even Lainey Liu, her friend and best buddy of Scobie, who never, ever says anything negative about Meghan, posted this burn on her website today. She obviously couldn't find any way to spin this into a positive or blame the UK media, the RF or William and Catherine, which is how she usually dismisses any criticism of Meghan. She did get one of her writers to put their name to it though. The writer has made some very valid points, it's probably one of the longest pieces ever on Laineygossip.

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"I had a whole piece written and at 6:30pm last night as I was enjoying my turkey curry (Bridget Jones coded), Lainey sent me an As Ever post. My first thought was that Meghan Markle dropped a new photo but, no. It’s a post from a brand. Called AS EVER.

Cringe, as the kids say. The first defense will be “she is selling lifestyle, this is a fashion label.” That’s not good enough. This is an established brand since 2017. “But they don’t own the .com domain!” It’s been parked since 2000, anonymously, so As Ever probably doesn’t own it either (unless Meghan secured it in 2000). Even if the NYC As Ever doesn’t have the trademark or the website, at best this seems like sloppy business practice on the new As Ever side.

For Meghan’s many detractors, this is a gift-wrapped blunder. From a business perspective, considering she has partnered with Netflix, it makes everyone involved look inexperienced and her behind-the-scenes team look incompetent. Especially since it’s coming on the heels of a fresh name change, which is a lot of fuss considering she hasn’t dropped a single product. I don’t want to sound ‘chicken little the sky is falling’ but this is embarrassing.

“But Kim Kardashian changed her name!” Yes, with precision. To the point where hardly anyone remembers that it wasn’t always SKIMS. The Kardashians have so many brands and a very strong partnership with people like the Gredes (who have founded companies including Frame), so they rely on a smart team. This debacle makes me think of the Vanity Fair article about Meghan not being able to take good advice and constantly changing her mind.

Was she aware of As Ever and pushed ahead anyway? Or is she blindsided by the error? Both scenarios are equally bad! And either way, she is the public face so it falls on her.

And that’s not my only issue with As Ever.

For a hot second, I need to brag because at the time of the first launch, I wrote: “Tying a brand to a place is a tricky thing (what if they move?) but out of all places, she chose the cultural hotbed of MONTECITO. It’s not a place that people outside of Montecito care about that much. Or at all.” And many people said NO that’s not the point, she can do whatever she wants from Montecito! Well, she now says the name tied her to the place and that was part of the reason she changed it. Anyone with even a modicum of experience in lifestyle would have pointed this out to her. But would she have listened? She is either ignoring good advice or she is not hiring the right people for the job.

Meghan is presenting As Ever as a continuation of The Tig which she, and a handful of people online, insist was this super popular blog and had devoted fans. OK, sure. Everyone was checking The Tig first thing in the morning on their Blackberry.

Watching her roll this out, I go back to a central criticism in the Vanity Fair article: she frequently changes her mind and doesn’t stick to things. Maybe going back to a familiar place (even though it requires a change before the first product dropped) is a way for her to readjust her focus and get comfortable in the public eye again.

In a way, it seems like Meghan wants to get back to who she was before the royal family. She is very good at being an influencer and seems to have a genuine enthusiasm for it. She is the woman who says “jam is my jam” unironically and is aiming for authentic homespun but with money that will, of course, never be discussed.

The most interesting part of Meghan’s video is that she says Netflix is a partner not just in her show but also in her business. From a lifestyle perspective, this is a headscratcher. I know Netflix is an entertainment juggernaut but e-commerce and lifestyle are totally different lanes. How will Netflix help her with the nuts and bolts of the business, like finding suppliers and the best shipping rates and building out staff and inventory management? Did Netflix help her with the due diligence of the name with their massive legal department? What is going ON here?

If they collaborated on something bold, like making the content “shoppable” – like she uses a glass and you can click on it from your device and buy it – that would tie in the two platforms. I’m curious to see if they have built that out. If they did, it would be impressive because that’s a buttload of work across multiple teams and Netflix doesn’t even let users take screenshots. But if the As Ever team can’t even pick a name, how much faith do we have that they are working on groundbreaking interactive experiences?

Netflix has shareholders, which means Meghan now has shareholders and they don’t make money off of Instagram likes. The brand will need to scale quickly to get to a profitable status, and those companies (like Rare Beauty and Fenty) have experienced e-commerce people in executive positions to lead the day-to-day. You don’t become a billion-dollar brand clipping herbs in the garden (and many would argue you can’t become a billion-dollar brand ethically).

Maybe she doesn’t want to be a billion-dollar brand. Perhaps she truly wants to share and sell a few products and have it be slow moving. But Netflix isn’t partnering with her because they like her scone recipes.

The Vanity Fair piece noted that Meghan is someone who starts with big bold ideas and then scales back until those ideas are basic. If this Netflix deal is like Spotify, she is perhaps starting with a big plan but it’s not the ideas, it’s the execution.

For now, being an influencer doesn’t allow you to be inside. You can curate, you can pick and choose public appearances (she is certainly exclusive with her events) but you cannot hide. This name snafu isn’t a strong reset but it’s not a game ender. How she faces controversy will be an indication of how she functions as a leader.

As we’ve seen, Meghan and Harry don’t work quickly (which isn’t to say they don’t work hard, they just aren’t at social media pace). Timing is essential here, she needs to get on this fast. The show drops in a few weeks and last night, her team posted this just before the @asevernyc post.
Does she double down on the name or is it three times the name change, three times charm?

DonutCroissant · 19/02/2025 18:44

Someone on the other thread mentioned a company called Small Batch Jam Co which I've never heard of so I googled and it led me to this video. Their jam looks like hers with the muslin lid and apparently it was so similar they were asked if they'd made hers!

LaMarschallin · 19/02/2025 18:46

OK, sure. Everyone was checking The Tig first thing in the morning on their Blackberry.

Ouch.
But Meghan's still a young mother, right?

User14March · 19/02/2025 18:47

@LaMarschallin Her skin looks fantastic and she looks far younger than her years to be fair to her. She glows and like the white (linen)? shirt choice. That's about all I can say that's positive, however.

Mylovelygreendress · 19/02/2025 18:48

User14March · 19/02/2025 18:22

@IcedPurple she calls Netflix her 'partners' so my thinking is they've dropped millions? I wonder how much the Montecito lifestyle really costs to maintain

Hmm , we all know that Meghan likes to big up her role . Remember she planned to collaborate with The Queen.
I doubt if they have paid millions but I expect them to want a share of profits ?

Mylovelygreendress · 19/02/2025 18:49

DonutCroissant · 19/02/2025 18:44

Someone on the other thread mentioned a company called Small Batch Jam Co which I've never heard of so I googled and it led me to this video. Their jam looks like hers with the muslin lid and apparently it was so similar they were asked if they'd made hers!

WHAT? You mean she isn’t making it all herself ??

BasiliskStare · 19/02/2025 18:49

Well apparently - his words in DM - the founder of As Ever NYC is consulting informally to see if he has a legal recourse - but is making no comment as to whether he will & I just love the As Ever Photography people adding "Since 2013 - Before Meghan Markle ". I haven't seen that myself but brilliant if so.

I do wonder is plain As Ever is just too much just a widely used phrase and not TM able and would it stop other niche companies using it with a suffix.

I apologise in advance for the bad pun but how about the next go being Markle Up Sell 'em on

LaMarschallin · 19/02/2025 18:50

@User14March

Her skin looks fantastic and she looks far younger than her years to be fair to her.

I wasn't referring to her appearance.
Just that the Blackberry reference is really dating The Tig.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/02/2025 18:51

she calls Netflix her 'partners' so my thinking is they've dropped millions?

They're "partners", @User14March - though that's probably the wrong word - courtesy of the contract which runs until this autumn

We don't know what's in it, but certainly they'll have wanted H&M to produce content and so far there's been very little
Therefore if the couple hope for a renewal that may put Netflix in the stronger position, and I'd expect them to make the most of that if only to recoup some of the $$$$ already spent

Uricon2 · 19/02/2025 18:55

Thanks @Thedom

Blimey, if laineygossip sounds like lots of the RF board crowd, she really has got problems.

We live in strange times.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 19/02/2025 18:56

@BasiliskStare

As Ever #2 Whatever
User14March · 19/02/2025 18:57

@LaMarschallin I know, just a positive aside.

Thedom · 19/02/2025 18:58

Uricon2 · 19/02/2025 18:55

Thanks @Thedom

Blimey, if laineygossip sounds like lots of the RF board crowd, she really has got problems.

We live in strange times.

I know, she prostrates herself at the altar of Meghan Markle, so this is another level.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 19/02/2025 18:58

Thedom · 19/02/2025 18:58

I know, she prostrates herself at the altar of Meghan Markle, so this is another level.

So what's caused the change?

Uricon2 · 19/02/2025 19:05

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 19/02/2025 18:58

So what's caused the change?

Another falling out with an associate wouldn't be off the table I suppose.

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