Is there another couple in the world like The Sussexes?

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I was musing last night about this aspect - they had the world at their feet. Despite what Sussex Supporters like to suggest most people in the UK nodded their heads " yes it was lovely Harry was getting married finally" . I had never heard of the bride myself as I don't watch American tv shows of that ilk. She was black or biracial? It didn't even enter my head what colour she was initially and then as coverage started it didn't make one iota of difference one way or the other. I recall the day of the wedding - it was sunny and the pubs were full of royal cheer broadcasting the wedding.

And then it all started to where we are today.

Are there any other couples in the world who have gone through such a downfall? Is this a feature of the social media arena today?
We see P Diddy and Blake Lively and others exposed now through SM.
You can't count the Duke and Duchess of Windsor in this category as they were always unpopular.

Can you think of any examples of people who have fallen so spectacularly?

I know people say " they live in California, they have money blah blah" but their reputation is one that most people would not want.

Is it purely because of their seeming complaining and sense of entitlement ? I mean you don't see the real philanthropists in this way - in fact you rarely hear about them and what they do.

How about Captain Tom and his daughter? Well, the daughter mostly. Ready for canonisation and then… £££££££

And, as with Meghan, some suggest that the whole thing was a bit of a set-up all along.

It’s interesting that they’re both either disliked as a pair or liked as a pair (they move together, like salt and pepper…) Usually fandoms take one side or the other, though the downfall/fandom split tends to follow a break-up. I’d be interested to see who “wins” the public narrative in the event of a divorce. (Harry. It’ll be Harry. He’s got the resources, more public sympathy, the long-term early goodwill, he’s a man.)

But in the end, gossip is the winner!

I have never understood why the daughter is vilified but Tom is treated like a saint. I suspect the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Have they really fallen that far? They seemingly have a pretty nice life in California. Millions of people, including me, don't think particularly badly or well of them anymore than I think particularly badly or well of his William and Kate.

I don't understand why they attract so much rage.

How strange to spend so much time thinking about strangers you don’t like.

I find it interesting how many people claim they ‘didn’t even realise she was mixed race’ but had also never heard of her as they don’t watch ‘American shows of that ilk’ (dramas? Long-running series? Seems like a very broad category to rule out).

can't stand any of them... off with their heads!

Oh yeah, the NGN has unequivocally apologised and will have to fork out an eight figure sum so it's about time for another one of these vague shitstirring threads.

Is it really rage? I suppose they enrage a few people (mostly their respective family members I would think).

But for the great majority who take any interest in them it’s the fascination of watching the ridiculous. We all need a bit of amusement in our lives. The Sussexes supply that by the bucket load.

I think they did have an initial plan which would have involved hard networking on the after dinner circuit while fleecing gullible bankers.

Harold was paid some £750k for one gig after finding freedom but the world then went into lockdown which scuppered everything and meant by the time we all emerged they were effectively chip wrapping.

It would be quite fascinating to see what might have happened had Covid either not descended at all or left it a few months but then again we still might have ended up where we are.

There's loads of posters constantly furious with him and talking about what disgraceful people they are and awful and a huge betrayal of the royal family blah blah blah.

So yes, I'd say there's a lot of people who rage at them more than just taking an interest.

It's all very odd.

I can't think of another couple who have been quite so er entertaining

No one has had an apology from NGN like Harry got. His treatment from the media has been off the scale.

I don't think many people have ever attracted so much unwarranted vitriol really. There's a lot of clearly unhappy people who harbour an unhealthy level of hate towards this couple.

Maybe in a few cases. But thinking that Harry and Meghan have behaved badly towards his father, brother, sister-in-law etc etc still isn’t “rage”.

For example, anyone who doesn’t find Finding Freedom or Spare genuinely if unintentionally funny can only be a confirmed fangirl.

I think that’s a tad melodramatic!

Perhaps Frank Spencer and Betty

This week's media apology, covering decades, is vital context.

The easy thing would have been to keep his head down.

There's a spectrum of course all the way from adoration via amusement and apathy to fury. But any glance through a Sussex thread here or other social media will show you plenty of the latter. Those that will only refer to her as Megain and say she faked her pregnancies and all that.

I'm firmly in the apathy camp and I haven't read Spare but probably would find it funny from the extracts I have seen.

Ultimately they are all pretty boring but Meghan and Harry attract far far more anger than Kate and William and I do find it odd. I get not being impressed with them but the anger is weird.

And settle, you mean? Instead of holding people accountable and slaying them dragons. Settling is the easy option, agreed.

I agree. It’s only in soaps or reality tv that I see similarly unbelievable storylines.

For the poster who called Sussex posting rages, I would disagree. In most cases it’s an unexpected twist in the storyline (shock) or a very predictable move (eyeroll) They haven’t murdered anyone or sent an innocent person to prison - people want to dissect, discuss and analyse because it’s like a soap created for the general public’s amusement.

The amount of reporting and the rehashing of storylines can get ridiculous (will we still have “they aren’t invited to Sandringham for Christmas” in 10 years time ?) but speculation keeps them celebrities and their celebrity keeps them in work so they have to court it to a certain extent.

sums it up nicely.

Shame really, they were handed a lovely world on a plate and they drop kicked the plate and shattered it.

I think that their downfall is so great because they represent almost everything that people hate about today's society. They are shallow too interested in fame but only on their terms, have poor values and work ethic, disloyal, money grabbing and despite them both being only averagely intelligent (at best) seem to believe that they can gaslight the rest of us whilst simultaneously telling us how to live our lives.
There are many people Lin the public eye like this but they do perfectly encapsulate all the sins. It is probably the one thing that they do perfectly.

Ugh, Harry's certainly not as nice as Rawdon - and Meghan very definitely has neither the charm nor intellect of Becky! I would say she's a Yoko Ono.

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But any glance through a Sussex thread here or other social media will show you plenty of the latter. Those that will only refer to her as Megain and say she faked her pregnancies and all that.

On MN?
I haven't seen the "Megain" thing (reminds me of Demi Moore's nickname "Gimme Moore" back in the day) but I could easily have missed it. I don't read all the threads.
But I do remember the faked pregnancy thing coming up here on MN and my memory is everyone (including me) saying what absolute rubbish that was.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that worse things are said on other SM - that's one reason I don't get involved with them - but I imagine there's worse things said about almost anybody well known somewhere on SM.

I think there is a massive difference between people giving others reasons for debate and posters choosing to pick over and endlessly post about and criticise a couple with a young family, often fuelled by nasty stories in the press.

At this point, they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

Threads like this are part of the problem and if you don’t recognise on-line bullying then it’s right here, right now, on this board.

I mean, what have they personally done to any of us?

I’m’a great fan of Mumsnet but given that this site is meant to be supportive of parents, I’m surprised that so many of these threads, which are just gratuitous excuses to be nasty about H&M, are allowed to stand.

Mumsnet guidelines say no personal attacks so I think they need to look at this issue as it’s getting out of hand.

Would they allow nasty thread, after nasty thread, after nasty thread, about anyone else in the same way? Or has kicking H and M become an acceptable national sport?

Why doesn’t everyone focus on the fact that the RF who are meant to be serving the people, are profiting from substantial commercial enterprises and yet receive special tax exemptions, all while pretending to be powerless and symbolic! That imho is an issue that is actually worthy of debate.

People are bored, and they like to be entertained by "stories" with goodies and baddies, white knights and evil fake princesses. Harry and megs are the target of a lot of people s boredom.

One thing is for sure, people spend a lot more time tapping on their phones when triggered by anything to do with them, than they do about any other member of either of their families. They are still inspiring thread after thread.

Why do people care?