H and M - an American dynasty as an offshoot from the British Royal Family

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Thinking long term about H and Me lives and their children's lives where is the funding going to come from and is there a serious risk of the funding drying up? I especially think of the children who I would expect would go to a private US school and ultimately will be US citizens perhaps pursuing US jobs. There is huge competition for celebrity status in the US and no nobility as such so how do they for in? Does the link to the RF quickly become an irrelevance ?

But Charles II was after Charles I had been executed! Times have moved on.

But if Harry were removed, Archie would be next in line, which puts Harry right back at the centre, particularly if Archie was still under 18. And if you meant to remove his kids at the same time as him, that leaves us with Andrew!

Assuming you object to him too, that would give us Beatrice, by which time the country would say 'look, if we're picking and choosing, we wouldn't choose her, so let's just end the whole thing.'

I agree, if there were no William, G, C or L, the whole thing would be scrapped.

*edited to correct typo and to add the public's rejection of Beatrice wouldn't be personal to her but just because of the ridiculousness of the whole thing

It's officially 'Prince/Princess of the United Kingdom' - at least that's what goes on the Birth/Marriage certificates as 'occupation'.

You can't just remove someone from the LoS because they're dodgy.

Also, since for the time being at least there are 15 Overseas Realms of which the British monarch is Head of State, their permission would also be required for any changes to the LoS. It would be a long and complex procedure.

The whole point of a monarchy is that you pretty much take what you get, by accident of birth. Luckily both Harry and Andrew are realistically very unlikely to get near the throne.

Yes but that was when a monarch had real power or really mattered constitutionally. These days it really is a (important of course).ceremonial and representative role, useful for avoiding people like Starmer becoming head of the country and has various residual powers which are seldom used in anger. If you start chosing who you want and missing out people in the line of succession (who in your list wasn't next in the line of succession or had someone in front of them?) then the system of monarchy is pointless and loses its magic as it relies on historical tradition. Once you break the main tradition the whole thing crumbles.

No, the way is to remove H from the line of succession as soon as possible. Then it doesn't ever become an issue.

The point remains the same.
There is no way that any UK Parliament would allow a person such as Harry to have any involvement with Constitutional issues, or ever be allowed to represent this nation on their behalf.

It didn't crumble when they forced Edward VIII out - he was very reluctant to go, plus he was popular with the people. But he and Wallis were high risk. So they had to go.
We are not a helpless nation in thrall to whoever is the hereditary monarch. That ship has sailed.

Givemethreerings

They might even choose to be a working part of the RF here in two or three decades.

I don't think that choice would be up to them, would it?

Well then they would have to abolish the monarchy. The whole system would be rendered pointless. If Harry was still in the line of succession and fell into the hot seat the UK would not stand for it and we would become a republic. That would be the legacy of that idiot.

Highly doubt they will ever be working royals. They will be nepo babies for sure, but working royals?

He abdicated.

Honestly I think the whole edifice is very fragile. You can't pick and chose. We either get the next in line or we become a Republic. Obviously Harry could abdicate or refuse the throne which is what he should do but Meghan might not let him...

Andrew! Hadn't even thought of him.
I mean Anne is the obvious choice if we're picking and choosing 😆
I have no issue with Andrew's daughters, they seem like decent people.

The kids will see all this through their parents lens. I very much doubt they will grow up believing their own parents are liars, they will believe their uncles wife and grandfather are racist and all the rest. They will no doubt believe the victim narrative, (unless they eventually do to their parents what Harry and Meghan did to theirs).

I agree that George, Charlotte and Louis will probably carry a lot of hurt on behalf of their own parents and be unlikely to trust their uncle or their cousins. I think they will always be two estranged families for generations.

I agree with those who find it all fascinating. I just can't understand what Harry was thinking.

He's not only walked away from everything he knew and ever had, he's actually spoken out against it in such a hurtful, and often untrue, manner. The huge safety and privilege, the massive opportunities in life... Plus, everything and everyone he has ever known. Not just his family and friends, but the army, the ceremonies, the culture...

It just baffles me. I can only conclude that he's incredibly spoilt and not very bright.

This is an interesting article by Mark Toth for The Hill.

Why Harry should not be in the line of Succession.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5062693-preventing-a-british-royal-regency-nightmare/#:~:text=Thus%2C%20a%20window%20of%20over,is%20potentially%20far%20too%20great.

He didn't want to abdicate. He had to be forced to go. Both the Cabinet papers and Baldwin's papers are very clear on that.

Andrew and Harry wil never be monarchs.

Archie and Lily will only be modestly wealthy by US celebrity standards

Harry would also not be appointed regent.

Yes, a massive tantrum, and used to being placated.
I believe it was in Harry's nature to be dissatisfied and difficult. The loss of his mother at such a young age, and most likely his parents divorce before that, deeply affected him. Finding Meghan finished the job of essentially bringing out the absolute worst aspects of him. Some relationships are like that, possibly loving in nature but absolutely no checks and balances in terms of calling out bad behavior. Us against the world kind of thing, and then wondering why the world tells you to bugger off.

William was always more stable and mature, typical first born really. The influence of the Middleton family, I believe, was significant and positive.

The rule was he had to abdicate to marry a divorcee. That's the tradition. Same as no Catholic spouses and in those days they followed the rules. He had to chose and he did.

I don't like H & M on any level, but this is the aspect of their characters that I can't understand or forgive.

Neither of them show any interest in history or culture - either of the UK or the US or anywhere,really. To me this is shocking in highly privileged people like H & M. The Queen offered Meghan the patronage of the National Theatre and she turned it down, fgs. Why? I suspect because she was too insecure to encounter and work with real actors! But I don't think she's even interested in acting - just the quest for fame, status and attention.

Diana (who had other qualities, of course) was not an intellectual, but she loved dance of all kinds and enthusiastically supported ballet and other forms of dance in her royal patronages - and her personal life.

To respond to OP - I cannot see them having any future linked to the RF, even in the US. They've rubbished it so, so publicly and their lies have seriously affected the RF's image in the world - and maybe even that of the UK. Charles may be prone to sentimentality but William isn't, especially since they have targeted Catherine so brutally. I don't see how Harry can ever take any kind of role as a royal again on either side of the Atlantic.

I suppose we may find out when the children are offered multi millions to talk about their truths. As they are getting older there is extreme difficulty in the private and celebrity line. The current stance is unworkable such as them being photographed with other people's children having experiences that their own children would enjoy. I always found it hypocritical of Harry talking about wanting a relationship with his niece and nephews but silent that his actions have removed his children from their uncle.

No it wasn't. Read the released papers, it's a fascinating story. They were less worried about Wallis' previous marriages than their friendship with Ribbentrop. (Not that the divorces issue wasn't important, but the alarms were all about the relationship with the Nazi party).

I hadn't thought about the fact that just as the biggest money spinner for H & M is when they talk about the Royal Family, so the biggest money spinner for A & L will be dishing on their parents.

MagdaLenor · Today 08:34

I don't think either of them are particularly interested in culture or history.

Aaarrgghh! This was the post I was trying to respond to above. I quoted it, but somehow the quote disappeared...