H and M - an American dynasty as an offshoot from the British Royal Family

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Thinking long term about H and Me lives and their children's lives where is the funding going to come from and is there a serious risk of the funding drying up? I especially think of the children who I would expect would go to a private US school and ultimately will be US citizens perhaps pursuing US jobs. There is huge competition for celebrity status in the US and no nobility as such so how do they for in? Does the link to the RF quickly become an irrelevance ?

You are right about the Tudor, My Lady the King’s Mother was Margaret Beaufort who was a child bride and gave birth as a Widow aged just 13. She was a strong woman who was very strategic within the court.

I don't think it would necessarily be a problem - many of William and Harry's cousins have charity patronages and do appearances without being working Royals.

But it depends what paths A and L choose to follow and whether they have any interest in later life in coming to the UK.

It also depends how the royal family evolves going forwards. Both Denmark and Sweden have slimmed down the number of working royals in recent years and announced that the children of the non-heir no longer get HRH titles. Sweden also has rules that children must have a Swedish education to qualify for the LoS.

Both Denmark and Sweden have slimmed down the number of working royals in recent years and announced that the children of the non-heir no longer get HRH titles

I think we should go this way.

I’d not remove them from those who had HRH Prince/ss at birth, but would encourage those outside the direct line to follow the Wessex/Edinburgh example and not use them.
Only 6 people would be affected, 2 of whom already follow the pattern of non-use (Lady Louise and the Earl of Wessex) and the others are Beatrice, Eugenie, Archie and Lilli and I really don’t see why they can’t just leave them be as a historical quirk.

And if there were to be a change of this sort, it needs settling before any of the Wales DC are old enough to be coupling up so it’s very clear this is a tidying up/slimming down, and nothing personal about future partners/DC. Any who do become working royals can be given a royal title/style later (eg if King George and his consort Prince Alexander have no DC, then Princess Charlotte’s DC could be ‘promoted’ as a 21st birthday present)

Odd take. Surely to be a working royal you have to have experience of being royal and know how to do the work. Archie and Lily have a mother who hasn't a clue how to behave in any reasonably polite society and is clearly extremely interested in collecting money and jewels rather than improving her rather dodgy character, and a father who (according to Meghan) didn't know the first thing about teaching his own wife the manners, etiquette and protocol needed to navigate her way successfully as a working royal.

Who is left to teach the children? Doria??? I suppose the nanny might help as potentially the only normal person but is she British or has experience whatsoever with the royal family? Unlikely. So they are stuffed on the working royal front and could even be worse than their mother. Proper jobs for them then!

I was thinking similar. A & L will be celebrity rather than Royal. A distinction their mother didn’t understand

Nordione1

Good points but if not working royals what jobs would there be for them? I think one problem is the whole family getting enough money to live a lifestyle we would probably associate with billionaires. We already see the problems with Prince Andrew on this front.

If they are in the UK I guess there may be jobs but surely the jobs would be associated with the royal status (improving a companies PR for example)?

Agree H&M have set themselves up for major teenage problems. I really feel sorry for their children who will read everything on the internet,who have been denied any relationship with their cousins,grandparents (both sides).
They will be mentally screwed.

Not to mention probably not having friends round to play like normal children, especially if they don't go to school. They're going to turn out very odd.

Maybe resentful. Royal get not treated as Royal inn the non monarchist US. Never quite getting the respect their titles suggest.

They don't have any special status here (or anywhere). They aren't going to be working royals. They aren't going to be monarch. They aren't children of a monarch. So they can just do what any other person does and either get a job where they are paid a normal wage or live off mummy and daddy/trust fund for the rest of their lives. Unfortunately Harry and Meghan have made that harder for then by making them have titles and no doubt telling them how special and grand they are and that they are difficult from normal people but ultimately they aren't going to be able to get money from the Civil list as they won't be able to represent the monarchy because their parents have burnt all the bridges. So they are pointless. The only residual value the titles have is to impress the gullible and most people will know they don't have a royal background. A bit like those people that still call themselves princes although the country they are from is a Republic.

That's sadly assuming he lives until they are adults and leave home needing jobs/money for a lavish lifestyle. Fingers crossed he does of course. I suspect William might not be so accommodating.

Thanks for the interesting posts @EdithWeston

It's is the mixed messaging that will surround them, they have a father who has and continues to use them as bargaining chips in his fight for security which he views as a global issue not just UK. On one hand they are the equivalent to eugenie and Beatrice whilst simultaneously being told that they are international targets. How the hell do they live anything close to a normal teenager or young adult life.

Maybe they'll try acting. Or modelling.

Some of the nasty comments on here about 2 young children is unbelievable. It is as if you are revelling in the fact that they won't be part of this tax payer funded family. The money you keep going on about that wills won't be giving harry where has that come from? As usual the plebs are taken in by the RF it would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic.

Plebs?? You sound terribly grand if slightly incoherent. What branch of the family are you from?

What nasty comments ?

@Nordione1 probably the same part as you then. Incoherent? because I don't agree with you?

@Mylovelygreendress

They're going to turn out very odd.

That was just one comment I picked out. I'm sorry if you don't think that is nasty aimed at 2 innocent children.

@boredashellbythiscrap

Well, the good news is that if their parents start to give them a more normal childhood then maybe some later issues can be avoided. It takes a village to raise a child as they say.
I speak from the experience of my own closed down inward looking family. It’s not a healthy way to raise children
You may see the comments as nasty, I think some of us are speaking from personal experience of raising young children and then teenagers in this modern age. You can’t keep children separate from wider influences forever.

What nasty comments? What revelling?
It's actually been a very measured - and interesting discussion.
If you feel talk guidelines have been broken, please report.

I don't know what you agree or don't agree with. Your post is a little hard to understand. @boredashellbythiscrap

@boredashellbythiscrap

The general view is that people are concerned for the children not critical of them .Their parents have made a decision to cut off both their families ( except Doria), the rumour is they are being homeschooled plus their parents seem to spend a lot of time away from collecting awards and doing faux Royal Tours .
That’s not criticising the children but rather the parents .
Unlike posters a couple of years ago who insisted Louis was ND because he was lively at a concert .

What has Louis got to do with this discussion? Why do you always have to compare the two families so sad.

Now I'm hard to understand because I'm not following the rest of the flock.