H and M - an American dynasty as an offshoot from the British Royal Family

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Thinking long term about H and Me lives and their children's lives where is the funding going to come from and is there a serious risk of the funding drying up? I especially think of the children who I would expect would go to a private US school and ultimately will be US citizens perhaps pursuing US jobs. There is huge competition for celebrity status in the US and no nobility as such so how do they for in? Does the link to the RF quickly become an irrelevance ?

I don't think either of them are particularly interested in culture or history.

And in this new (to them) country people would use their titles! Again, heady stuff to an 18-19 yr old, to suddenly have everyone from airport security to Uni professors to door staff at clubs to guards at Grandpa’s Palace bow their head and call them ‘Prince Archie’.

I’m interested to see if Sandhurst plays a role in Archie’s future. Non-British people attend, including non-British royalty, and the military played such a big part in Harry’s life. I could see Harry wanting that experience for his son, as well as enjoying the link it gives him back with the British military. He could attend pass out parades, meet with people again….

It will be hard for the next generation to truly be part of the royal family if they are British by passport only. They’d need to live in the UK through at least part of their childhood. It’s difficult for children with two nationalities and cultures, and the one that they grow up with is usually the one that prevails!

I can imagine Harry wishing he could give the children a bit of Britishness - ie by living and educated here in the UK for a part of their childhood.

Many dual-nationality parents want this, but it can be hard to achieve - even for private citizens!

I agree completely with @IcedPurple It is such a strange and unique situation these young people will find themselves in. It will be interesting to see how the four of them navigate it when Archie and Lilibet are teenagers. I wish the children well and hope they manage to carve out a happy life for themselves.

I feel really sorry for those kids. If they have been brought up properly by the nanny to love their parents and family they will find goggling their background and finding out about how their parents treated their families and the lies they told shocking and sad. There's only so much Meghan and Harry will be able to control what their children think and do. Hopefully as Americans they will have the drive to make something of their own lives rather than relying on connections. If they try and become working royals having had no experience of that life and only one parent who knows how to do it well (and who hated it once his wife told him to) they will find it very tough.

I can’t remember where but I read that A and L are to be home educated .

They need to keep control over them as long as possible. No unsupervised internet use until they are 35 and keep them financially reliant on their parents so they can't ever leave. That's the only way!

When I was at University, there were lots of Americans doing their junior year abroad. The majority had links to the UK either parents or grandparents. They were all lovely, but were often confused by the UK way of life (which was a pretty sheltered version).

Archie and Lili will have huge opportunities, but I don't believe if they came to the UK, everyone would be suddenly falling over themselves to call them Prince and Princess. They would be like Beatrice and Eugenie. I doubt a lot of people recognise them.

I can imagine Harry wishing he could give the children a bit of Britishness

Why can't he?

He's not been banned from the country! He has plenty of money and no real job, so could bring the children over pretty much any time he pleases.

It's his ego and bitterness preventing him from doing so.

They’ll be like all self-important minor royals - not very useful, a drain on society, massively entitled, desperately trying to get a job in film/ media to fund their lifestyle (as royals they’ll be way too stupid for private equity / business), and at some point they’ll develop a love of Africa and spend time living on large game farms there hidden from view where they’ll ’find themselves’

to say America doesn’t have titles when they wet themselves over being the 3rd or 4th ‘William’ etc is just a joke.

Security !
Until Harry receives the same level of security as William , he will continue to complain and refuse to bring his DC here.

Honestly, I suspect the real issue is that he needs Meghan's permission to take the children out of the country, and she won't give it.

And in case the 'stalwarts' come at me, no, I have no evidence for this. It's just a theory I have.

Agree. It’s a ridiculous idea for A and L to be working Royals. They won’t have a clue how anything works or any relationship with their family. What nonsense.

Archie and Lili will be a product of their parents. That doesn't bode well for them unfortunately.

Keeping Harry in the line of succession is a risk. Very unlikely the Wales would be wiped out, God forbid, but not impossible. Can you imagine?? It would be the end of the monarchy.

The only thing the children have different over Eugenie and Beatrice before the Andrew scandal was Diana. They have never really been in royal demand and lived pretty free lives. Meghan would not want to risk any long term stay in the UK whilst children. From my very small perspective people who are quick to cut all ties eventually end up on the receiving end.

It will be very strange for them when they realise they have no relationship with either grandfather , their Uncle or any of their cousins.

Agree . There could be some tricky conversations ahead especially when A and L are old enough to read Spare .

Or Google, more worryingly (for H and M).

I think so much will depend on the personalities of A & L. It's very difficult to predict what might happen but I hope I'm around to see how it plays out.

I remember when Scobie named Catherine as one of the 'Royal racists' in the Dutch(?) translation of his book and H & M said nothing, I thought, George is old enough to understand the distress they are causing his mum and I suspected we had just witnessed the debacle being passed to the younger generation because I suspect he'll find it hard to forgive H & M that, which might impact his feelings about their family as a whole (certainly I imagine he'd be cautious with his cousins, if they ever cross paths).

Her Majesty, Queen Rachel. Presumably she won't be allowed to use her middle name.

Anyway that would go down fantastically in the UK.

But also that Harry didn't speak up for his OWN DAD! And was happy to let Scobie tell everyone his own Dad was a racist! Imagine that for a minute! What on earth are those two children going to think when they are adults.

What I think might happen, to Archie in particular, is that the brainwashing will be successful throughout his childhood and early adulthood. He will drink the koolaid that the RF are racist bigots that drove his parents out. Then he will meet his wife; possibly someone from an aristocratic background from the UK who supports the monarchy or possibly someone that's from a family that believes in loyalty and love and trust (like the Middletons).

The wife will explain that Archie's parents are weirdos that have behaved cruelly to their own families and are money hungry liars and therefore she couldn't possibly have anything to do with them.

Archie will believe this and cut them off. It's the only reasonable thing to do and he knows he's right as he follows his parents example; Meghan knows best after all.

You can choose any name that you like, just look at Albert who became George VI!
Seriously, though, Parliament is Sovereign. They decide who the next monarch is - see Charles II, William and Mary, George I or George VI.
It won't be that pair.

Parliament can't chose the sovereign. That sort of ruins the whole concept of a line of succession and a hereditary monarchy. If you chose who goes next there isn't really much point in a monarchy at all. Harry needs to be removed from the line of succession asap. Then it would be fine.

They can. It's a Constitutional Monarchy.
It's only hereditary in terms of Parliamentary permission.
Look at the examples I gave. Parliament chose those people.