Royals at Remembrance events 2024

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Catherine and William at the Royal Albert Hall tonight. Anne is also in attendance.

Funny when people are mystified about where the idea that an older woman shouldn’t have long hair comes from - or thinking that it’s ’just their opinion’ or that it just ‘looks silly’…..

None of us lives or forms opinions in a vacuum and this is a well-known, tired misogynist trope. That’s where it comes from. That’s why it ‘looks silly’. Because you’ve swallowed the misogyny for decades.

She wears her hair this way because she likes it, and if she doesn’t like it anymore she’ll change it.

Yes I was struck by this too. They all looked quite weighed down and mournful.

What has itchiness got to do with it? To be fair certain royals do make my teeth itch.

@DappledThings if the choir had sung the whole piece it would have been a different piece, written in harmony throughout, and with the very different sound that you get from a full choir. If you commission a piece, you usually get to decide how it's performed. I've been in a lot of new works (mostly only once thank goodness) and the composer was always at rehearsals. (Also the composer would have been really peeved if King Charlie decided he didn't like Bryn's warbling and asked for it to be rewritten for full choir!)

You must be an amazing singer if you can get through one of the solo parts in the Verdi requiem with full double choir and orchestra, in a 6000-seat venue like the RAH, and be heard with not a hint of vibrato! I'd really love to hear you! That must be such a unique sound... kind of Verdi-in-the-style of-Purcell! (Just using that as an example - I guess you can do it with Berlioz's Grande Messe des morts too!) Had you forgotten that the Verdi was actually always considered too 'operatic' to sing as part of the liturgy, and that it was Verdi's intention that it should be performed that way. I have fond memories of taking part in several performances of it myself at the RAH. (I probably preferred church work though!)

Well erm two reasons maybe? King and Princess both recovering from cancer and it's Remembrance Sunday!

Oh give over, it is crystal clear your comparison with a 'drag artist'' was meant to be derogatory.

they always look mournful, totally fitting on a remembrance service

Clearly you have far more experience, I am bowing to you there. I have yet to hear sacred music sung in a liturgical setting by anyone other than choristers that sounds right.

Performance being different to a service. Bryn Terfel at the coronation was performing at an inappropriate time in an inappropriate style. It jarred massively to me.

She wears her hair this way because she likes it, and if she doesn’t like it anymore she’ll change it.
As she should. I can still think she looks a bit silly without it meaning I think she should change it. Same as I'm sure people think I look a massive scruff-bag most of the time. I don't expect people not to make mild judgements about how I look. And "a bit silly" really is a very mild observation.

@Thedom thank you! Saying someone's makeup looks like 'drag' then trying to pretend it wasn't meant as a mean insult is pathetic isn't it.

There has been a lot of criticism by posters on the RF board about appearances of certain individuals. A few posters are getting riled up when it is certain people yet stay quiet or join in when it is others. Criticising someone's appearance is never nice whatever the circumstances.

Yep, classic example of how people use gaslighting to distort a conversation.

Oh that's really interesting.
I think I felt the pressure to have long and lovely hair when I was young and cutting it in my 40s was freeing. But also properly seedy male aquaintences who approached me after I'd cut it and said, oh no your beautiful hair! It made me feel like I wanted to shave it all off! And I'll never grow it again, properly spoiled it for me, the thought of some seedy blokes feeling attachment to my long hair.
Princess Catherine in the pic with her hair up looks arrestingly beautiful to me. I don't think I'll be able to shake the old fashioned aesthetics on this point.

@Thedom 🥰

It was and still is an objective opinion on her makeup. Everything else you've said is a figment of your imagination. There was no pretence to do any more or less. I gave no further opinion on drag makeup, nor did I backtrack because you were offended. And it seems from the number of thanks I received that I was not the only one who thought her makeup was characteristic of drag. You still haven't said what offends you about this style of makeup.

I think you mean "subjective"

It's your opinion, not an external fact

Quite. An opinion is necessarily subjective as it is coloured by one’s own views. You can use evidence to back up your opinion but it can never be a proven fact.

On the question of drag make up, I think the poster is being disingenuous when they ask what is “offensive” about this style of make up. There is nothing offensive about, but it is always extremely exaggerated, verging on the grotesque as this is the tradition in this art form. So to compare someone’s make up
to that of a drag artist is to imply that it is exaggerated and grotesque. Hardly a
ringing endorsement

LOL and it continues .....

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Yes an awful thing to say and offensive to boot.

Exactly- it's not about them being on show or hair or dresses.

And I find drag offensive as it reduces women to a caricature and a figure of fun.

@mythbuster88 you look at the number of thanks you get from anonymous people and you deem that you were right and appropriate? 🙄 That's an odd way of looking at MN but it takes all kinds.

Spot on !

Exactly! And I think we all know what was being implied with the original comment.

We could all ‘prove’ our point by announcing the amount of thanks we get @mythbuster88 though most of us don’t feel the need to point it out to justify our comments.