Do you think as Camilla as the queen ?

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Hear me out , I have no problem with Camilla and never thought I would never see her as ( way back when ) as Charles wife when they married , my opinion,was they married and can rightly call herself as Duchess.
However , what I don't understand that when Queen Elizabeth was alive , her husband , Prince Phillip was always known as just that and never seen / addressed as King . Why is Camilla our queen when Phillip was never our king ? I'm confused .

Well, I'm from the US Deep South and we still say "malarkey" here.

I think your statement here sums up some of the issues well: "The important thing about what the late Queen said was not the 'consort' bit, it was the 'queen rather than princess' bit." I think a lot of people (including a few on this thread) mistakenly latched on to the "consort" bit rather than the "queen" bit.

Absolutely.
Particularly since many people don't bother to find out what was said or, possibly in some cases, deliberately misinterpret what was said.
Bad enough to have your private conversation hacked and published, but then to be misquoted in attempt to make things sound even more shocking (if intimate talk between two consenting adults shocks you) is much worse.

I wonder if it's made the King and Queen think of the lines from "If":
"If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,"

The same people who support cases against newspapers hacking, seemingly supporting this odious example.

But but ... it's ok if it's h and m. They are so oppressed.

Good point @DelectableMeand @glitterturd!

@CurlewKate, I’d like to ask you , do you agree with Harry’s court case against hacking?
do you think getting private information from individuals from hacking is acceptable?

I don't think of her the Queen, she's Queen Camilla to me because the late Queen was the Queen for so many years and I can't get past that. Apparently it was the same after Queen Victoria died - many people couldn't think of Queen Alexandra as the Queen as QV had reigned for so long. Even QA herself balked at being called the Queen to start with.

To be honest, I can barely think of Charles as the King as he's imprinted on me as Prince Charles or the Prince of Wales.

No. She threw her legs higher and wider until she got the wouldbe king.

I don't think becoming queen was ever her intention.

I’m the same @Shetlands!
I think a lot of us are the same , it’s taken ages for me to not think “king” who’s the “king” , but that’s easier !
I think of queen Camilla as that and “the queen “ is the late queen.

really?!

I don't either. I think she wanted to marry Charles because she loves him and she accepts the role of Queen comes with it. She cracks on with the job admirably but doesn't appear particularly comfortable with it.

I'm sure it wasn't her intention to become Queen because she'd never had a job and enjoyed her luxurious, work-free existence. Her life changed enormously when she married Charles and had to accept restrictions on her freedom to do as she pleased all day, every day.

They got married nearly twenty years ago (anniversary is in April) and they were both in their fifties. If someone had asked me, I would have thought they were older when they got married, and it was more recent, well maybe ten years ago!

So they've now been married for longer than Charles and Diana were married.

Yes, I really don't think this was ever her aim. In fact I always think she seems to look a little like a rabbit caught in the headlights probably wondering how her life turned out like this. I mean affairs are common amongst the aristocracy...she was never to have known that eventually Charles and Diana were going to get divorced, then that Diana would sadly die...and this would all happen.

I agree that Camilla "wanted to marry Charles because she loves him and she accepts the role of Queen comes with it", but I think that she has, over time, become more comfortable with the job of being queen. She seems to be able to interact with people she meets in a genuine way and without the kind of formality that invites deference. The way she smiles is often warm and suggests she enjoys the less formal occasions and interactions. Unlike the coronation, where she was clearly terrified...

I think she's a sensible person and focuses on what she can contribute to, how she can help. I like the fact that she focuses on women's issues like Domestic Violence, and on literacy and reading initiatives. She doesn't pretend she's an expert, but shines a light on the work of others.

I agree.

Apparently it’s a topic close to her heart , apparently there is a lot of hidden dv in the upper classes and quite a few of her friends suffered through it.

She came to visit a women's refuge near where I live and spent a while talking to all the women there. She gave each woman a bag of toiletries, which doesn't seem much, but I thought it was a nice thing to do.

That’s nice @DelectableMe! And please excuse my excessive use of apparently! 😳🤣

Did she, aye

No, a queen regnant is born into the role. A queen consort marries in. They are both called queen whoever. The first is married to a Prince, the second a king. Look it up. Show me one single instance of queen consort mary or whatever. It doesn't exist. There was only Queen Mary etc. They may have technically been consort, but all were just Queen x.

The first is married to a Prince.

In more modern times, yes. But some queens regnant were married to kings: Mary I of England was married to King Philip II of Spain (and given the title King of England, although it did not survive Mary's death). Queen Isabella of Castile was married to King Ferdinand of Aragon. And of course there is Mary II who reigned jointly with her husband King William III. There is also Mary Queen of Scots who was married to two kings, Francis II of France (a king regnant) and Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley (a king consort).

Most recently, the husband of Queen Isabella II of Spain was given the title of King (consort).

One of the reasons for husbands of queens regnant generally not being called King is the historical notion that King is a higher title than Queen. In many European countries where the Salic law prevailed, only men could inherit the throne and so queens in their own right were very rare or non-existent. And even in countries that allowed women to reign, men took precedence in the succession until very recently (and still do in some).

It's certainly possible with more egalitarian rules about succession, the notion that King is a higher title can change and male consorts can be called King. With more queens regnant on the horizon all over Europe (Sweden, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Spain) and a move to have more equality between the sexes in these matters, we might see the title of King (consort) used for the husbands of Queens.

I presume (I am happy to be corrected) that the original use of ‘Queen’ meant ‘wife of a king’ because male primogeniture/patriachy/salic law/right of conquest etc etc meant that monarchs were generally male.

And then this was adopted to also be used for Queens regnant once we had them.

It isn't that one queen ia a 'proper' queen and the other isn’t. There are two different ways to be queen, and one word for it.

Like 'sister in law' in English meaning both 'my sibling's wife' and 'my spouse's sister'.