Do you think as Camilla as the queen ?

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Hear me out , I have no problem with Camilla and never thought I would never see her as ( way back when ) as Charles wife when they married , my opinion,was they married and can rightly call herself as Duchess.
However , what I don't understand that when Queen Elizabeth was alive , her husband , Prince Phillip was always known as just that and never seen / addressed as King . Why is Camilla our queen when Phillip was never our king ? I'm confused .

Queen Consort is what someone married to a King is. Charles requested that Camilla be called the Queen. She doesn't have the power of a Queen and can't reign in Charles' stead.

This must be a bot. Or someone particularly, laughably obtuse. Or possibly a particularly hairy genius.

(Either that or I've woken up in Hell)

Queen Consort is what someone married to a King is
Correct

Charles requested that Camilla be called the Queen
Still not true. She would always have been called the Queen. Same as Diana would have been, same as Catherine will be. Still Queen Consort, still automatically known as the Queen.

She doesn't have the power of a Queen and can't reign in Charles' stead
Correct. And nobody has suggested otherwise or needs this explained to them.

@username7891 I don't think anyone here has suggested that Camilla will be in charge if Charles dies 🙄

How does this sound because this thread is incredibly tiresome.

Camilla is officially known as Queen Camilla.

What's your point and how does that fit with your inaccurate assertion that she is only known as Queen Camilla because Charles requested it?

Camilla is not The Queen to me.
Queen Elizabeth was near the pinnacle of servitude.

Camilla is Queen Camilla, just the same.
Queen Camilla, as wife of King Charles, is doing a fine job. She takes on practical patronages and I like her speaking voice and persona very much.
Queen Camilla, as a consort, will not have vast influence but she seems naturally kind, warm and self-assured.
Her image is positive.

Why are we still arguing about her title? At the moment, she is Queen. That’s it, no ifs or buts

Camilla is officially known as Queen Camilla.

Officially she is The Queen.

Camilla's official title is Queen Camilla. She's the Queen Consort as she married a King.

She didn't take over from the Queen, Charles did. I see her the same way I saw Prince Philip, someone married to the monarch.

The Queen officially changed Camilla's status to Queen Consort and Charles wrote Queen Camilla in the invitations for the coronation. From then she was known as Queen Camilla.

The wife of any King is automatically Queen. Technically Queen Corsort but the word Consort isn't used

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother became Queen when her husband was crowned King George VI. Before her George VI's mother became Queen Mary when her husband was crowned King George V.

The equivalent does not follow automatically when a woman is actually Queen Regnant, because patriarchy puts Kings as higher than Queens. Any titles granted to the spouse of a Queen Regnant are very carefully negotiated. Around Episode 3 of Season 2, (possibly some in the episodes either side) of The Crown (TV series on Netflix) this is discussed. When Philip married Elizabeth he was made Duke of Edinburgh (and had to renounce his former Greek titles) but wasn't made a Prince at that point. Elizabeth promoted him to Prince when they'd been married for 10 years, after he complained that his 8yo son outranked him.

Ok. So you've fundamentally misunderstood what actually happened.

The late Queen didn't need to officially change Camilla's status. That would have been an automatic and inevitable consequence of Charles' accession.

The only reason she said anything was as a smoothing exercise in case some people were still going to go batshit over Camilla being Queen.

She didn't take over from the Queen, Charles did. I see her the same way I saw Prince Philip, someone married to the monarch.

So does everyone else...because that's what she is.

The Queen officially changed Camilla's status to Queen Consort and Charles wrote Queen Camilla in the invitations for the coronation. From then she was known as Queen Camilla.
No! How can you be getting one part of this right and the other bit wrong? It's bizarre. The late QEII confirmed that Camilla was to be Queen Consort. That was what meant that following QEII's death she became Queen Consort which automatically also made her Queen Camilla and the Queen. Nothing that Charles did or said, or that the late Queen did or said, changed that. She would always have been known as Queen Camilla from the moment she was announced as being the future Queen Consort.

Psst. There are actually some British people who like Camilla, too.

If you don't have any interest in any of them really I can't understand why you have come on to a Royal Family thread.

I'm American. I quite like her as well.

The reason that the late Queen issued that statement about Camilla being Queen Consort was that when she married Charles, there were statements made that the intention was that she would be known as Princess Consort when Charles acceded. I say "intention" because I have always assumed that, if public perceptions of Camilla changed, that intention would change, and she would be titled Queen. This makes sense because under British practice, she would be Queen anyway, no matter what she was called, in the same way she was Princess of Wales, but chose to go by Duchess of Cornwall.

The late Queen was clarifying that there would be no "Princess Consort" malarkey and that Camilla would be known as Queen in large part because that is what she would be. I think the late Queen also came to appreciate and value Camilla.

That’s where all the confusion and also where some of the animosity from some quarters comes from.

She also didn’t use her Princess of Wales title publicly to avoid antagonizing the Diana fans.

I can’t remember if it was originally officially announced that she would use Princess Consort or whether it was just put out there unofficially.

I get that people were confused by the Queen Consort thing. After all we hadn't had one since 1952. We hadn't one newly become QC since 1936 and we hadn't had who become QC following a Queen Regnant since 1901. So yes, possibly understandable people weren't familiar with the term and thought it was something new invented for Camilla and meant she wouldn't also be Queen Camilla.

What I don't get is people doggedly sticking to that confusion and misunderstanding when it's been explained, with examples, hundreds of times

I think also the late Queen said that Camilla would be the “Queen consort” to avoid it sounding like she was naming Camilla as her successor ie if she had said “Camilla will be the queen” it might have sounds like she had removed Charles as the next king 😆

eta this is like Groundhog Day. I’m pretty sure we have done all this several times. On this very thread as well as elsewhere 😳

I know some people feel very strongly about adultery but I never understand why the Camilla haters always seem to give Diana free pass for the same thing.

There are some cult of Diana members who really, really cannot think rationally.

I think it was official but I could be wrong.

When Charles and Camilla married there was an official statement that the intention was for Camilla intended to be known as Princess Consort rather than Queen. This was also mentioned on their Clarence House website. This section was quietly dropped in 2018.

It wasn't quietly dropped. It was superseded by the late Queen's announcement, at her jubilee celebrations, that she wished Camilla to be Queen