Continuing HR article, Netflix

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See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources

article in the DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

https://archive.ph/xgEdv

One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'
She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out.

As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing???

Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html

Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

Goodness.

I think that if she had been caucasian with no black heritage then they might have been tougher with her. If Harry had married a white woman and she played all the same tricks as Meghan, it would perhaps have been nipped in the bud a bit more. It was a very tough position to be put in and I think it could have been extremely bad press for the RF if changing the rules with titles had coincided with M's accusations of racism.

I agree Wordler, I have often thought that this was likely. And also likely that this was a long-term plan that QEII and/or Charles had discussed with Edward and Sophie, who were perfectly happy to fall in line and style their own children as the children of an Earl rather than grandchildren of the Monarch. But when Meghan and Harry were told of the plan, they weren’t minded to agree, and ultimately decided to weaponise it.

(if it really was the plan, QEII should have changed the Letters Patent when any grandchildren of Charles not in the direct line were hypothetical, rather than real. Obviously this will land badly on a parent of a directly impacted child rather than an unmarried son with no family fo his own yet. She may not have wanted to take a step to overturn her grandfather’s wishes, though? But I think it was an error, if that was the plan)

He didn’t have a working life though really. He turned up for his pet projects but that was all. He wasn’t doing Rpyal engagements alone.

Am I right in this ? Re the Tom Bower - getting a rich husband thing - the other one she suggestd was Rory McIroy. Who ironically is probably worth more in real money than Harry and has a skill which I am sure will earn him more. On the upside she could have been a very attractive tour spouse which would not have taken up much time but got her noticed whilst she did her TiG style business ventures , on he downside , no titles which I suspect she thought were an automatic money making machine.

Let me be clear here - I will never see $100m in my life , but then my life is modest so I don't need it.

Yes, I think the 'conversations' were probably about restricting royal titles only to grandchildren directly in line. My guess is the intention was for the Sussexes to do the same as Edward and Sophie, and decline titles on behalf of their children, rather than for any changes in the law. Charles could not write LP's before he was King, and given that Archie and Lili by default got the titles the moment he became King, changing the law after that would have been awkward, to say the least.

So they have their precious titles, but given that the kids will grow up in California and never be seen at any royal events, they're basically Disney titles.

So? That's their choi e, their life ti live how they wish. I can think of many opportunities i also 'squandered' but I don't look back and regret that and think I'm not living my best life.

Maybe people should stop deciding what their lives should be like, they should of done this or that and well that's the right life for them. It's not up to anyone else to decide what life they should lead and whether that life is better for them

Found the transcript of the Oprah interview:

Oprah: So how did they explain to you that your son, the grandson…the great-grandson of the Queen…
Meghan: Mh-hm.
Oprah: …is not going to have… He wasn’t going to be a prince. How did they tell you that? And what reasons did they give? And say, “Therefore, you’re not…you don’t need protection.”
Meghan: There…There’s no explanation.
Oprah: Hm.
Meghan: There’s no version… I mean that’s the other piece of that.
Oprah: Who tells you that?
Meghan: Um, I heard a lot of it through Harry, and then other parts of it through conversations with family members, um, and it was a decision that they felt was appropriate. And they thought, ‘Well, I’m–

Oprah: Was the title, was him being called a prince…Archie being called a prince, was that important to you?
Meghan: If it meant that he was going to be safe, then of course. All the grandeur surrounding this stuff is an attachment that I don’t personally have, right? I’ve been a waitress, an actress, a princess, a duchess. I’ve always just still been Meghan, right? So, for me, I’m clear on who I am independent of that stuff, and the most important title I will ever have is ‘Mom’. I know that. Um, but the idea of our son not being safe, and also the idea of the first member of colour in this family not being titled in the same way that other grandchildren would be, you know, the other piece of that conversation is there’s a convention — I don’t know if it’s George V or George VI convention — that when you’re the grandchild of the monarch, so when Harry’s dad becomes King, automatically…Archie and our next baby would become prince or princess or whatever they’re going to be.

Oprah: Mh-hm. So for you it’s about protection and safety. Not so much as what the…what the title means to the world–
Meghan: That’s a huge piece of it, but I mean but the–
Oprah: And that having the title gives you the safety and protection.
Meghan: Yeah, but also it’s not their right to take it away, right?
Oprah: Yeah.
Meghan: And so I think, even with that convention I’m talking about, while I was pregnant, they said they want to change the convention for Archie.
Oprah: Hm.
Meghan: Well, why?
Oprah: Did you get an answer?
Meghan: No.
Oprah: You still don’t have an answer?
Meghan: No.

Oprah: You know, we had heard, the world, those of us out here, reading the things or hearing the things, that it was you and Harry who didn’t want Archie to have a prince title. So, you’re telling me that is not true?
Meghan: No. And it’s not our decision to make, right? I…even though I have a lot of clarity on what comes with the titles — good and bad — and, from my experience, a lot of pain…
Oprah: Mh-hm.
Meghan: …I, again, wouldn’t wish pain on my child, but that is their birthright to then make a choice about.
Oprah: OK. So it feels to me like things started to change when you and Harry decided that you were not going to take the picture that had been part of the tradition for years…and–
Meghan: We weren’t asked to take a picture. That’s also part of the spin that was really damaging. I thought, “Can you just tell them the truth? Can you say to the world that you’re not giving him a title and we want to keep him safe and that if he’s not a prince then it’s not part of the tradition? Just tell people and then they’ll understand.”
Oprah: Mh-hm.
Meghan: But they wouldn’t do that.

Oprah: But you were…you both obviously were aware that that had been part of the tradition, and there was…was there a specific reason why you didn’t want to be a part of that tradition? I think many people interpreted that as you were both saying, “ We’re going to do things our way, we’re going to do things in a different way.”
Meghan: Mm. That’s not it at all. I mean, I think what was really hard… So picture, now that you know what was going on behind the scenes, right? There was a lot of fear surrounding it. I was very scared of having to offer up our baby knowing that they weren’t going to be kept safe.

Oprah: You certainly must have had some conversations with Harry about it, and have your own suspicions as to why they didn’t want to make Archie a prince. What are those thoughts? Why do you think that is? Do you think it’s because of his race?
Meghan: [sigh]
Oprah: And I know that’s a loaded question, but…
Meghan: But I can give you an honest answer. In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time, so we have in tandem the conversation of he won’t be given security, he’s not going to be given a title. And also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born.
Oprah: What?
Meghan: And…
Oprah: Who…who is having that conversation with you?
Meghan: [nods]
Oprah: What?
Meghan: So…um…
Oprah: There is a conversation…hold on. Hold up, stop right now.
Meghan: There were several conversations about it.
Oprah: There’s a conversation with you…
Meghan: With Harry.
Oprah: …about how dark your baby is going to be?
Meghan: Potentially, and what that would mean or look like.
Oprah: Whoo.
Meghan: [nods]
Oprah: And you’re not going to tell me who had the conversation?
Meghan: I think that would be very damaging to them.
Oprah: OK. So how…how does one have that meeting? I…
Meghan: That was relayed to me from Harry. Those were conversations that family had with him. And I think, um…
Oprah: Whoa.
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Re the Tom Bower - getting a rich husband thing - the other one she suggestd was Rory McIroy. Who ironically is probably worth more in real money than Harry and has a skill which I am sure will earn him more.

There's no 'probably' about it. Rory McIlroy is worth multiples of Harry, and still has years of his career in front of him.

Let me be clear here - I will never see $100m in my life , but then my life is modest so I don't need it.

Harry and Meghan have never seen that sort of money either.

Did they secure the elephant doc voice-over with this pitch?

Oh ok. I actually didn't realise that. I thought he was a working royal

She is such a liar .

Here’s the link to someone who has transcribed the whole thing - it’s quite eye opening to read it now several years on:

iamkateshaw.medium.com/oprah-with-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-interview-transcript-30071fdb2c00

Except they need people to buy into their lives so they remain relevant. So that she can sell Jam and he attend award ceremonies around the world. And with that comes people’s opinions about their lives.

Yet Harry has publicly commented about his brother and others' way of life . The same should apply to him then. What is it to do with him? He bleats his opinions all over the place.

"Maybe people should stop deciding what their lives should be like, they should of done this or that and well that's the right life for them. It's not up to anyone else to decide what life they should lead and whether that life is better for them"

Wow. When you read the words, away from the distractions of the beautiful dress and gorgeous hair and emoting from both women, you really realise just how disingenuous she's being, and at the same time how uttlery vague

Plus the small fact that they haven't sold personal, private family matters in order to make money!!

She just didn't " get it" did she? She looks very much like Doria there.

So It’s part of a manipulation technique ….where you don’t actually say it, you get others to do it for you. Oprah fell for it. It was Oprah that talked about race being a factor. Meg just heavily implies by not saying much at all.

But it didn’t work with the writer of the Cut article, who knew what she was doing but didn’t fall for the trap when meghan invited her to make the conclusion that meghan was the victim of racism.

I think a main sticking point was realising how far up the tree William and Catherine were.
William and Harry tend to be associated as ‘Diana’s two boys’ especially abroad.
I should imagine when the attention around H and M’s wedding fuss ended, she would have come more aware that Catherine enjoyed more status.
I can remember how horrified Oprah was at the cottage H and M were living in.
Once M realised there were real restraints on her lifestyle it would have been very clear that accepting freebies and not being paid a salary were big downsides for her.
She obviously billed Charles a huge wardrobe bill for that first year.
I have just seen some press on Harry in Africa. I think he’s been a fool to let things get this far, but he does seem to have a passion for Africa even if his connections around charities have been dubious.
I am not really sure where M goes from here? ARO is a dud. She might turn up at things like Invictus but what else can she do?
PS I know Angela Kelly will never talk but oh to know what she knows!

@IcedPurple Harry and Meghan have never seen that sort of money either.

You made me properly giggle there - Thank you

Yep. My two words at the time were 'obfuscating' and 'disingenuous' and I've put them somewhere on Mumsnet, months ago.

That's when I lost my patience with them. I 'd defended her a lot, earlier on, and simply observed for a while, but that did it.

And I have always thought that Oprah had a lot of her own agenda there.

Oprah didn't fall for anything. You don't have the kind of career Oprah had, and the kind of connections she had (Epstein, Weinstein and P Diddy among them) if you're gullible enough to fall for the likes of Meghan.

Oprah knew Meghan was a grifter, in fact she may have recognised a kindred spirit - Oprah has also been accused by her siblings of being less than truthful about her childhood and background. But Oprah knew that the interview would make great telly - and didn't much care about the truth underlying it - she colluded with Meghan to make the finished product as shocking, viral and meme-worthy as possible.

I thought Oprah would be embarrassed about the half truths untruths and just utter bollocks Meghan came out with. I thought she or her researchers could have given Oprah some more searching questions. But maybe she (( OW) was embarrassed all the way to the bank ( to misquote Librace )

Thanks @wordler . So many lies ! Archie wasn’t the first mixed race baby in the RF . Can you imagine if William removes Archie and Lilibet’s Prince/ Princess titles as happened in Denmark ! ?

I actually find Oprah very disconcerting to watch and I wouldn't be suprised if something comes out about her one day.