Continuing HR article, Netflix

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See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources

article in the DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

https://archive.ph/xgEdv

One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'
She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out.

As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing???

Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html

Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

Maybe the difference is that these less senior members of the RF only attend more
minor events like garden parties etc. They don’t attend the events like State banquets or galas or premieres. They are not front and centre of Trooping the colour or remembrance. And they are based in the UK which was not what the Sussexes ever intended. They seemed to want to swoop in to do the glamorous stuff and then go back to their lives in the US. Also, whilst others inevitably gain a profile from their royal connections, they are not monetising their royalty as such (eg through a “royal “ branded website such as the Sussexes initially set up). So not really comparing apples with apples

I wouldn't be so sure.
I think if William can trust Harry. He will be back in the fold.

So how will William be able to trust Harry? and it’s not just about trust, I can’t even begin to imagine how William feels about the things Harry has said about Catherine and his children, they branded his wife as racist on the worldwide stage amongst many many other things. Harry’s only way back is through Charles but once William is King he’s finished.

I think maybe William will see this as the push to scale back on the RF. Just stick to the core constitutional aspects. Cut back on the patronages, visits etc. The RF only started doing all this so that they were seen to be 'doing good works' to justify their existence. If they havent got the manpower they cant do it and will have to slowly scale back. I really think William will do everything he can to keep Harry out. They don't need him, as time passes he will be forgotten about and irrelevant. How many younger people could pick Princess Margaret children out of crowd yet she was the superstar of her day.

My earlier point was that the monarchy as an institution is bigger than William, even as King. William personally, may never trust Harry again, but that doesn't mean the institution won't find him a role.

She doesn't have a strategy. That has been made very obvious these past 5 years.

Harry is a prince, the son of an actual king and the sainted Lady Di. He is also personable and charming in the right environment, while she seems fake and awkward. Even so, it's not easy to see how the mere fact of being a prince is going to make serious money for Harry going forward, especially as his royal associations are already fading. Meghan doesn't even have that. She's just Harry's wife, a 43 year old former cable TV actress who didn't stick around long enough for the royal sheen to last. She's had nearly 5 years to come up with a 'post royal brand' and has failed. It's hard to see how she can turn it around now.

Peter, Zara, Beatrice and Eugenie do not represent the monarchy. That's the crucial difference. That's what the Sussexes wanted, as laid out in their daft 'manifesto'. Or as they put it 'collaborating with the Queen'. Nobody collaborates with the Queen. What with her being a Queen and all that. They are such fools.

I agree @Ellerby83 William has already stated that he wants to focus on ‘bigger’ projects once he is King and not the opening of Library’s etc, personally I don’t think this is necessarily a good thing but I can see why he is going down that road as he is the one who is really going to slim down the monarchy, Harry just won’t be needed.

I think this is wishful thinking.

who or what do you think is the ‘ institution’ ?

If you mean salaried members of staff who work for the monarch ….then no, they won’t be finding Harry a job. They’ve done more than enough for him in the past. It wasn’t his hard work and sweat that went into setting up Invictus….it was palace staff.

He is on his own now

What are they doing at a royal garden party then?! Meeting and greeting. Course they are representing the Monarchy!

I agree, I think Williams vision is the wrong one. I get why he’s doing it but he doesn’t understand that it isn’t about him and the stuff he’s interested in. It’s about him serving us, the public directing where he goes and what he does. If that means opening a new train station, so be it.

No they are not.

Lots of people are at garden parties. Smiling and making small talk at a party does not mean you are an official representative of the monarch.

None of the people mentioned above represent the monarch or receive taxpayer funding. If you think the Sussexes wanted to shake a few hands at garden parties and not get a penny from the taxpayer, then they must have been telling porky pies in their stupid 'manifesto'.

The one and only garden party Meghan did attended she couldn’t hack it and left!

I think we are at cross purposes !

Zara, for instance, earns her own money and her royal connections help that. She was asked to attend William's garden party to meet and greet which she did and she looked splendid. She didn't sit at home waiting for an invite to attend so obviously her role is part of the royal family!

How you can say she was just like a member of the general public I do not know!

I didn't think Zara or Peter had ever done the Garden Parties.

I thought the Yorks were only ask to do the last one because of lack of available Royals to do it, ie Charles and Kate both being ill.

Exactly. Two Royals unable to attend so Zara Peter Beatrice Eugenie took their place

We're not at cross purposes.

You've just moved the goalposts!

Obviously being a member of the royal family brings all sorts of benefits. I never claimed otherwise. If the Sussexes weren't the arrogant idiots they are, they would have done something similar to Zara. They could have attended the glamorous events, be photographed in nice clothes alongside the senior royals, all without any obligations or debt to the taxpayer. They could have morphed this into some sort of lucrative 'brand'. Best of both worlds.

But that isn't what they wanted. They wanted to remain official representatives of the monarch, with taxpayer funding and other benefits. Don't just take my word for it. It's all there in that ridiculous 'manifesto'.

They were never in any way denied the sort of role Beatrice or Zara have. They just thought they were too good for it.

I think they still want that

I think that they still need that.

As PP said above association (positive or negative) with BRF is their only currency.

They have zero talent and zero legacy commercially, creatively or collaboratively to lean in to to generate a sustainable income stream.

I have moved no goalposts

I stick by Zara was representing the royal family at a royal garden party. You seem to think not

As I said, something could've been worked out and there were faults on both sides

You're not letting go of this are you? Despite you being plainly in the wrong here.

Zara does not officially represent the monarch. She doesn't even have a royal title. She does not receive taxpayer funding.

Those are facts.

If you genuinely can't see the difference between that and the idiotic 'demands' the Sussexes were making in their 'manifesto', I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain.

Good

Let's agree to disagree
That's always the sensible option on Mumsnet 👍

I think if their behaviour during their short time as working members of the RF had been positive and constructive there would have been much effort made to facilitate this.

But by Jan 2020 there had been huge disruption and distress, persistent and consistent hurt and fall outs with multiple family members and repeated bullying of numerous staff witnessed and reported - as well as jumping the gun issuing a release telling the world and HMTQ that they would be collaborating with her.

They could not be trusted and their dreadful behaviour should not have been rewarded. Seems the RF made the right call given what repeated atrocious behaviours we have continued to see right up until the present day.

PW brought this to PH attention - MM was 'rude, abrasive and difficult' to staff - the dog bowl fight - PH didnt agree and defended and enabled her behaviours.

The RF have made it very clear H&M are not going to trade of being royal. Their have been zero photo opportunities of them with any of the senior Royals.

Candle and Feathers, given the military precision of these things highly unlikely to hand been coincidence.
I think the candle was a funeral the feathers the Coronation.

Attending a garden party is not representing the RF, it's more akin to being part of the crowd scene.

Bit like Zara being in the royal enclosure at a major race meeting isn't a royal duty.

Beatrice does have a formal position which means she could be considered to have a representational role and could therefore carry out duties on behalf of the monarch (she is a Counsellor of State) but she has not been asked to do this - as whilst William, Anne and Edward are all good to go, then I doubt very much she would be called on to act. And of course she has a DSS, very young DD and another on the way.

Doing even occasional engagements doesn't really make you a senior royal representing the monarch. Would anyone say Tim Lawrence was a representational royal? He took the Founders Day Royal Salute at the Royal Hospital Chelsea in 2023 - something much more individual, specific and representational than attending a garden party (which they all do on and off, over the years, with little attention other than perhaps a pic and line about what they're wearing)