Continuing HR article, Netflix

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See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources

article in the DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

https://archive.ph/xgEdv

One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'
She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out.

As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing???

Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html

Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

I think it is clear you’re very emotionally invested, you love Megan and hate Harry. I’m not sure there is any point discussing with you due to that, I mean you could argue what’s she done for him. I think we all get you love her,

I don't think he would have left on his own either, he definitely needed someone to go with. He said in an interview when he was younger that he wanted to leave though and I believe he was far more unhappy than it appeared to the press.

And I agree too that he didn't leave because of Meghan's mental health. He left because he wanted to and she helped him. They each helped the other get what they wanted. They should at least own their decisions.

I feel sorry for Meghan, taking on a life she really had no idea about (that i don't think anyone from the outside really understands). Of course she made it worse for herself by refusing to listen to advice and always thinking she knew best and then bullying her staff. I'm pretty sure at this point the evidence is that she never intended to stay in this country. So I have sympathy for her whilst seeing that she is living a life she created by her own actions.

I find Harry entitled and arrogant and the idea that he is a stateman is just ludicrous. I don't think he seems a brilliant husband either. All this I am getting from his own words and actions. I also feel sorry for him because he needs effective therapy to help him move beyond his mother's death and heal. He is the poster child for the saying "hurting people hurt people".

Love and hate are black and white concepts, humans are nuanced and complex, it's reductive to approach them in that way. But if you want to look at things like that I can't stop you. Doesn't mean that you are accurate in what you are saying about me though.

At this time PH is just doing the annual PR events of his charities that he has had for years - nothing new to see here at all (except The Parent Network speech at CGI) - so I am wondering why these standard meetings have been pushed so hard in PR terms this year.

He doesnt get paid for them - they likely cost him $$ to attend and even if he gets expenses its costing him time.

So where is his income? Is he doing these only to attract investment / commercial opportunities for himself? Has the PR for these charity events been upped to serve PH commericial interests?

It is incredibly odd.

I agree Squeaky. The plan was no plan, just absolute chaos encouraged by the ‘we can take over the world’ mantra. I hate to tell them, but it’s people in real seats of power who do that. And sadly for them that power rests with the Crown.
Diana occupied a unique space that was very much about the times - a Princess who became a global celebrity. Just when we were about to see how her story would unfold, she died. It could have been a triumph or a disaster, but she had built up goodwill with powerful people all over the world which took her 15 earn.
Saw a clip of Paul Burrell yesterday saying that Al Fayed Senior had told Diana he had expected to sleep with her. Drip feed or lie, I found it hugely inappropriate. Neither of her sons or her family need to hear that. The women abused by this man don’t need their own stories derailed in this way - know that last paragraph is off topic, but just wanted to mention it.

I’m not sure, the half in half out thing is ringing in my ears. It was never we are going and that’s it, that was forced on them, they made it clear in their statement they intended to spend a lot of time in the uk, and raise their kids with both cultures. If it wasn’t for that I’d agree, but they never intended to fully leave, they wanted to monetise it.

Frenchkisserintheusa, I don't recognise your name so I'm assuming you're new to the RF topic (maybe MN in general?) but I've been reading MrsLeonFarrell's posts for a long time and, imo, you've got it wrong with I think it is clear you’re very emotionally invested, you love Megan and hate Harry..
I've always found MrsLF to be one of the more dispassionate and calm posters here and she certainly doesn't express things in the rather childish (again, only my opinion) manner of loving one/hating another.
Other emotions are, as the saying goes, available.

The new strategy of having separate approaches to their PR could already have been in the works before the bullying exposure, they are possibly not linked at all.

Invictus Germany, Nigeria and Colombia were PR fiascos, and the Vancouver pre-event was another debacle. They are very unpopular in the UK, and in the US very few are interested in them, other than the outlets who are paid to promote them and a few of their rich benefactors. Harry has clearly been miserable, the whole world could see that, they are pretty much a laughing stock after their efforts at doing tours to dodgy countries and their business and charity failures.

Their currency has been Harry being a member of the British Royal family, they have been unable to move the dial on that, so they have no other option now but to backtrack to basics, try to rebuild their credibility based on the one thing that gave Harry validity, (and gave his wife credibility) i.e Harry and the RF.

I suspect the bullying claims have thrown a real spanner in the works, I don't think it was part of the original strategy of them separating their interests and PR. The idiotic sycophantic counter claims, another own goal, everyone knows the people who spoke to the press were released from part of their NDA before they were approved to comment, and the statements scrutinised by legal and what must be, a very ineffective image management organisation.

I do find it amusing that a huge amount of the public now suspect Harry is behind the exposure of his wifes' bullying and the negative press about her, would he really throw his wife under the bus? I guess based on past behaviour it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

Perhaps he was besotted back then and outraged anyone could criticise his perfect beloved. But maybe now, quite a few years later, he has a clear picture of who she is. He cannot be unaware of her bullying. Thats not to say he is overly bothered about it, he likely sees staff as minion plebs. But probably he's unable to repeat his past fuming indignation, knowing her better these days and her behaviour having cost him quite a lot. I think the scales have fallen from his eyes, but that doesn't mean he has any intention of divorcing her. Someone people are not bothered about whether or not their spouse is a good person. And it would he a terribly big serving of humble pie he'd have to eat if they split.

I agree that they wanted half in half out. I think they still want that, or at least Harry does. But I'm pretty sure by that he meant living and making money abroad and turning up for the odd glamorous royal event here and representing the Queen on tours. I could be wrong about this but I've always assumed they would have lived abroad because he seems to hate the press here he wanted to avoid them in his everyday life.

@MrsLeonFarrell I completely agree with you that Harry showed us his true colours in Spare. He's clearly always been bitter, spiteful and mean spirited - albeit I think that Meghan stoked his resentment and brought it to the surface.

I'm really uncomfortable with this narrative emerging that Meghan is the devil incarnate and Harry is coming back to the fold as the prodigal son. She is clearly awful and probably more overt in bullying behaviour, but Harry is equally culpable and has behaved just as badly in different ways.

And ok, Harry seems to be doing some "charity work" with less fuss than we've seen of late, but still, what real good is he doing? Isn't it still just empty speeches and preaching? Still refusing to answer difficult questions about African Parks, still fronting up a 'sustainable travel' project with no acknowledgement of his hypocrisy when he lives the most unsustainable life possible.

This 100% he has said he or they wanted to be able to go and earn their own money (and not live off taxpayers money) and still support the RF where required.

For a 'spare' I don't see why that is such an unreasonable request they aren't going to be king, they need something to do and it's quite decent to want to earn their own money instead of being funded by the taxpayers. And so what if they monetise the RF, plenty of the other royals use their royal connection to do so.

I don’t think KC has handled any of it well,

What should be have done differently?

I agree @MrsLeonFarrell; nice Harry was always a palace construct.

The discussion so far as to whether the palace would have him back, has mainly concentrated on the views of Charles, William and the perceived views of the British public. If you look at it from the pov of the palace as an institution though, I think it is more likely they'd want Harry inside the tent. As previously noted, the institution is in it for the very long game.

I don't necessarily think this means Harry gets to be fully rehabilitated. That would be a long, cautious journey and he would need to prove himself and be acceptable to a big enough section of the public. I can see though that giving Harry limited institutional support would be an early step to test the waters.

The palace of course want to stop missiles landing from Montecito and will have their strategies for dealing with them. What a drama series that would make if only we knew what actually goes on! They will also be looking at the workload for the next decade. If Harry behaves, he could do some of the military stuff and get to wear his uniform again. I'm sure they can find a few projects deemed safe enough and far enough away from William.

My final thought is about Kier Starmer. I don't have much of a grasp of the various royal committee structures but I believe that the PM and Downing St are closely consulted on constitutional matters. In just the last few days we have learned that Boris was deployed to talk Harry out of leaving. (Can't imagine why that didn't work). It's interesting timing with a new PM, but on balance, I would guess that KS would be likely to support family reconciliation and will be an important voice.

How did 'He let her behave like that?'

She's a bully to her staff, how do know she wasn't bullying and manipulating him?

How was he supposed to curtail her behaviour to staff?

The palace of course want to stop missiles landing from Montecito and will have their strategies for dealing with them. What a drama series that would make if only we knew what actually goes on! They will also be looking at the workload for the next decade. If Harry behaves, he could do some of the military stuff and get to wear his uniform again. I'm sure they can find a few projects deemed safe enough and far enough away from William.

Once William is King and sadly I think that will be in less than a decade we are go to see radical change and I doubt very much Harry will be a working royal in any capacity under William’s Kingship.

I agree @Spectre8

And surely this is what Zara does? And the York sisters? Zara is wheeled out for Royal garden parties yet has many different positions and endorsements enhanced by her royal connections and obviously they pay her a decent living. Ditto Beatrice and Eugenie.

And of course Peter Phillips and how his royal connection certainly provides him with an income, he does garden parties too
Not sure what the problem is with this half in half out stuff, European Royals do it, having careers or interests outside but on the understanding and condition that if they are needed for royal duties they should put that first.

They have both shown their arses to the world, and voluntarily too! There is no coming back from that. Once you’ve shown people that you’re self
centred and willing to mow down whoever gets in your way then it is very hard to make them forget.

I think they are both as bad as each other. They’ve been living this folie a deux- egging each other on to think they were slighted and despised. Telling each other they were better than anyone. And now perhaps the truth has dawned: you cannot have tantrums and treat people like garbage and still expect to be loved.

I wouldn't be so sure.
I think if William can trust Harry. He will be back in the fold.

Partly driven by the desire to keep pressure of George for a few years. The pressure was kept of William until he was about 30-35?

George is about 10? That's 20 years away. While Charles generation will all be ageing by then.

@BustingBaoBun

Perhaps the issues was that the RF didn’t want to be associated with the entitlement and bad attitude of M&H. The only way to work as a team is to work with that team- and it does appear that M&H already had their own plans which were very much counter to RF strategy. The monarchy is bigger than two people. They couldn’t do their duties correctly and so were of no use. They could have stepped back and just gotten on with their own lives but they’ve decided to wage war on the institution.

The monarch is the head of state. The monarchs family don’t have to be involved in this (lots aren’t). Just being a prince doesn’t grant automatic access. Just look at all of George the thirds sons.

Harry doesn't seem to stand up to her in any respect. Even when she is mocking having to curtsy to the Queen on national TV.

I don't really agree. I think there was fault on both sides as to how it was handled. It was rushed. I think harry and meghan should have gone off for a couple of months perhaps while the palace tried to work out if there was a way through for them to still engage with royal duties whilst supporting themselves. I agree the two of them didn't work with that team but nor did the Palace work with them, hastily putting out statements etc. A great shame, they could've been an asset but here we are

We see how it evolved differently and that's fine. As I say, fault on both sides

He didn't like that though, he looked really hacked off. Just one of many occasions where he has looked pathetic and weak. I still burst out laughing whenever I see that Time magazine cover. I've never seen anything like it. He looks like a little handbag hanging off her shoulder.

I think they asked for 50/50 and were told to wait for a meeting, which or course wasn't going to be tomorrow.

H&M tried to force it by issuing the statement they were leaving. I think they were expecting the RF to jump which of course they didn't.

Maybe Charles & William were quite happy to see Meghan go esp if she treated staff like shit and her comments at the Garden Party.

The RF meaning Charles and William have played the long game, cut them off completely, candles and feathers, let things be difficult for them both and pick up the pieces when it all falls a part.