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Twistybranch · 2024-09-21T09:31:07+00:00

See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources article in the DM: [[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html]] [[https://archive.ph/xgEdv https://archive.ph/xgEdv]] ^One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'^ ^She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?^ Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out. As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing??? Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry. [[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html]] Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

BasiliskStare · 02/10/2024 14:06

That excerpt from Harry - surely even he has a better command of English than that. I had to read it twice and even now I am not sure 😊

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Twistybranch · 02/10/2024 14:08

CoffeandTiaMaria · 02/10/2024 14:01

I wonder if in America those titles @IcedPurple would be considered Christian names too? Though I can just imagine Meghan insisting they’re addressed as Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet at school and every opportunity whiles she is called Duchess of Sussex at parents evening etc 🙄

And you just know any notes sent into class for the teacher, you know the ‘Please excuse X from swimming today…..’, would be on Monogramed notes with cornet of Princess Lili or Prince Archie. Written in fancy pants squiggly handwriting and next level word salad.

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IcedPurple · 02/10/2024 14:09

cheezncrackers · 02/10/2024 13:59

I disagree. I think she had no idea what the job of being a 'working royal' entailed and she THOUGHT it was all tiaras and haute couture and smiling and waving to cheering crowds. When she realised that it's actually visiting an old people's home in Bradford, opening a new town hall in Dewsbury and visiting a lifeboat station in Whitehaven she realised she'd made a huge mistake. The way Harry lived too - in a small 2-bedroom cottage and then later in a very pleasant but not huge and blingy house on the Windsor estate - I think came as a big and unpleasant shock to her. She'd married a prince FFS - she did NOT expect to live less glamorously than her celeb idols in LA.

I think it was the dawning realisation that hard and unglamorous work would be required of her for no pay, that she couldn't accept gifts or kick-backs from brands that were making money from dressing her, that if she wore haute couture (which she considered her right as 'a princess') she'd be criticised endlessly for it. Things like trips in private jets and having a baby shower in NYC, all perfectly normal in the celeb world she aspired to belong to, led to huge amounts of public criticism. I think she felt she'd been tricked into signing up for something that wasn't at all what she wanted and expected and thus she decided to cut her losses. But I'm pretty sure that initially she was up for giving it a try. She said she wanted to hit the ground running in the engagement interview and at that point I think she meant it. But she had no idea what the actual job entailed at that point, because she'd never done it.

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disagree. I think she had no idea what the job of being a 'working royal' entailed and she THOUGHT it was all tiaras and haute couture and smiling and waving to cheering crowds. When she realised that it's actually visiting an old people's home in Bradford, opening a new town hall in Dewsbury and visiting a lifeboat station in Whitehaven she realised she'd made a huge mistake.

How was it a mistake though?

Yes, there are mundane and restrictive aspects of royal life, but Meghan actually did very little of the opening community centres in Stoke kind of thing. In return, she got global fame, a royal title, the opportunity to travel the world as representative of a Queen, hang out with Heads of State and celebrities who wouldn't have known who she was a few years before, wear designer clothes, paid for by someone else, which she could never have afforded previously. She also had prestigious royal patronages, and the chance to promote any charitable endeavour she wanted. And much more.

Not too shabby, for someone who had been living in a rented semi D in Toronto. Hardly Grace Kelly, giving up an A list life to marry a prince.

IcedPurple · 02/10/2024 14:11

Xmasmusings · 02/10/2024 14:05

@IcedPurple I think the amount of attention will depend to quite a large extent on their parents' decisions but, at present, every indication is that they will continue to attract attention. I suspect the press will continue to love having a huge family estrangement to report on in the next few decades.

And then, once they are 18, it will depend on Archie and Lili themselves. If they appear to live a 'boring' life, yes, I'd expect interest to drop pretty quickly. But if they attempt to build a public profile, I think interest and criticism will be very high (if they continue to use the titles).

I don't think there's much interest in them even now. The only reason royal children are interesting to some is because we see them at royal events, alongside the King and other senior royals. That's not the case with Archie and Lili. 10 or 15 years from now I can't imagine them being anything of interest to anyone other than royal watchers, if that. But who knows?

BasiliskStare · 02/10/2024 14:15

I think re PA and PL , if they do any by their own merits or come to prominence through other reasons the Royal connection will be of interest. Hope they don't get pushed forward whilst they are young

Needanewname42 · 02/10/2024 14:18

Think how much interest is in any Royal cousins, Margaret's children, the Yorks, or the Philips (Beyond their sporting achievements) most of us couldn't pick Eds kids out of a lineup.

Harry's will be the same.

The half in half out and titles was 100% about money, and being able to trade of the name.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/10/2024 14:19

Mylovelygreendress · 02/10/2024 13:57

Was that the event they went to instead of a military evening ?

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I believe so, Mylovelygreendress, but then they were also heard to remark "It's about the pitch" and the memorial for the Marines may not have included the sort of people who were commercially worth pitching to

For that matter, ribbon cutting, garden parties, hospital visits etc. probably wouldn't either, which is why back then they wouldn't have stood a hope of being attended

Meghan actually did very little of the opening community centres in Stoke kind of thing

Edited to add she hardly had time, @IcedPurple. Between maternity leave, discussions with her American agents and obsessing over every word written about her there wouldn't have been much chance for anything else

BigWillyLittleTodger · 02/10/2024 14:21

I think William will nip the future problem of having an adult American Prince and Princess of the United Kingdom who have absolutely no connection to the country or the Royal Family by changing Letters Patent and will remove those titles as per the Queen of Denmark, they are then completely free to pursue any carer they so wish without the burden of a title, he also won’t want a new rivalry whipped up by anyone between the cousins either, can you imagine? Which Princess wore it best? Who has more hair Prince Archie of Prince George? He won’t have that media pressure put upon his children.

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Twistybranch · 02/10/2024 14:24

Needanewname42 · 02/10/2024 14:18

Think how much interest is in any Royal cousins, Margaret's children, the Yorks, or the Philips (Beyond their sporting achievements) most of us couldn't pick Eds kids out of a lineup.

Harry's will be the same.

The half in half out and titles was 100% about money, and being able to trade of the name.

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Particularly if they keep the kids lives private and hidden.

Look at OJ Simpsons kids. Look at how infamous their father was and what happened to their poor mother. But the family kept them out of the spotlight and they grew into normal adults who don’t want to be in public and have never been in the papers.

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Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 14:25

Even the childrens names I still find really strange.. Archie Harrison... really? Archie is a nickname, which might be fine these days for most, but when it's prefaced by 'Prince' it looks a trifle silly. One of my children has an Archie type name, but you can bet DH and I made sure he has the proper version on his birth cert. And Harrison when your father is known as Harry, seems like a foolish joke. Yes we know he is Harry's son, Meghan 🙄

Lilibet they ruined for themselves as no one is going forget how much they dishonored the Queen, and I'm sure caused her much hassle and dismay in her final years. It made it an ironic choice of name, especially after Meghan openly mocked the Queen on NF doc, it felt like it was an intrusion and in bad taste to name her that, like a publicity study. I expect his family were not impressed.

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Twistybranch · 02/10/2024 14:28

BigWillyLittleTodger · 02/10/2024 14:21

I think William will nip the future problem of having an adult American Prince and Princess of the United Kingdom who have absolutely no connection to the country or the Royal Family by changing Letters Patent and will remove those titles as per the Queen of Denmark, they are then completely free to pursue any carer they so wish without the burden of a title, he also won’t want a new rivalry whipped up by anyone between the cousins either, can you imagine? Which Princess wore it best? Who has more hair Prince Archie of Prince George? He won’t have that media pressure put upon his children.

Which will be easier for him to do, seen as the children’s lives will be private and we won’t know much about them. They wouldn’t have lived or worked using that title, so won’t be seen a wrench to take it away from them.

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BigWillyLittleTodger · 02/10/2024 14:28

Needanewname42 · 02/10/2024 14:18

Think how much interest is in any Royal cousins, Margaret's children, the Yorks, or the Philips (Beyond their sporting achievements) most of us couldn't pick Eds kids out of a lineup.

Harry's will be the same.

The half in half out and titles was 100% about money, and being able to trade of the name.

Different parents though with different values and different ambitions , I can imagine Meghan would want her children to be Hollywood stars, she could bathe in the reflected glory as she ages, remember they have bought the domain “Lilibet’s Closet”, coming to a catwalk near you in about 15 years probably.

wordler · 02/10/2024 14:30

cheezncrackers · 02/10/2024 13:59

I disagree. I think she had no idea what the job of being a 'working royal' entailed and she THOUGHT it was all tiaras and haute couture and smiling and waving to cheering crowds. When she realised that it's actually visiting an old people's home in Bradford, opening a new town hall in Dewsbury and visiting a lifeboat station in Whitehaven she realised she'd made a huge mistake. The way Harry lived too - in a small 2-bedroom cottage and then later in a very pleasant but not huge and blingy house on the Windsor estate - I think came as a big and unpleasant shock to her. She'd married a prince FFS - she did NOT expect to live less glamorously than her celeb idols in LA.

I think it was the dawning realisation that hard and unglamorous work would be required of her for no pay, that she couldn't accept gifts or kick-backs from brands that were making money from dressing her, that if she wore haute couture (which she considered her right as 'a princess') she'd be criticised endlessly for it. Things like trips in private jets and having a baby shower in NYC, all perfectly normal in the celeb world she aspired to belong to, led to huge amounts of public criticism. I think she felt she'd been tricked into signing up for something that wasn't at all what she wanted and expected and thus she decided to cut her losses. But I'm pretty sure that initially she was up for giving it a try. She said she wanted to hit the ground running in the engagement interview and at that point I think she meant it. But she had no idea what the actual job entailed at that point, because she'd never done it.

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I agree - she went in with very different expectations- she actually gave herself away on the Oprah interview - I can’t remember the exact phrase but it was something like “it’s not like you see in the movies”.

She had a Hollywood Princess Bride type vision in her head.

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 14:30

Are any of the other great grandchildren of the Queen, titled prince/Princess? Or is it just Charles grandchildren? I was really suprised Harry & Meghan were given that option.

IcedPurple · 02/10/2024 14:35

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 14:30

Are any of the other great grandchildren of the Queen, titled prince/Princess? Or is it just Charles grandchildren? I was really suprised Harry & Meghan were given that option.

As grandchildren of the reigning monarch they are entitled to be Prince and Princess according to the 1917 LP.

It's a bit silly these days, especially as they are living on another continent and will grow up completely alienated from their British family. But the moment Charles became King, they automatically became Prince and Princess. Which of course isn't to say their parents had to use the titles. They could have declined the titles for their children, as Edward and Sophie did. But of course they would not.

I do think William as King will issue LPs restricting royal titles only to the grandchildren in direct line. Not sure if he'd make it retrospective however. Archie and Lili's titles cannot be passed down so ultimately they're not really important.

Rhaidimiddim · 02/10/2024 14:36

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 13:00

My opinion is that Meghan never had any intention of being a working royal. I don't think it's a particularly easy life, standing in high heels in the cold at a new primary school or football pitch and actually taking an interest (not enough to fake an interest unless you're an exceptionally good actor), remembering names, what people do etc etc.

You have to bring a lot of yourself to each encounter because although you have dozens of such encounters per day, for the other person it'll be one of the most memorable moments of their entire life and so you have to respect that by being fully present.

Plus you see a lot of people experiencing huge challenges, terrible illnesses, sad stories.

That would take SO MUCH out of you, emotionally, spiritually and physically. I couldn't do it.

And yeah Meghan never wnated to do that - certainly unpaid! She wanted to be a disney princes and get lots of lovely freebies.

She ain't stupid, I think she went into the marriage with a game plan to get them out and back to the States as soon as practicable.

In the event, it worked out badly because she couldn't control everything and she maybe forgot that the RF aren't stupid either. They've got moves too and they deployed them.

but yeah, that was always her game plan I reckon.

100% agree. I'm with Tom Bower on this - come to Londin, snag a rich man, back to LA with him and his money to build a career in charity/philanthropy grifting.

BasiliskStare · 02/10/2024 14:36

@BigWillyLittleTodger - Lilibet's closet is exactly the sort of thing I am thinking of ( I heard it here first 😂 ) a little bit like the Beckhams having Romeo as a model and Brooklyn as ( well whatever Brooklyn is up to know ) Never mind about the RF many A list Hollywood people have children who live under the radar. I hope they are allowed to do that as well until they are a lot older . & then if they have their titles taken away - they won't miss them Personally I think they should have been kept until the two were 18 & then they could decide for themselves

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 14:37

elessar · 02/10/2024 13:33

If Harry and Meghan wanted to earn their own money and just pop up at the odd garden party that would have been fine.

But no monetising royal titles, or representing the monarchy at big state events.

Their entire brand was (and is) based on their royal connections - remember how they tried to trademark a load of Sussex Royal merchandise?

Of course Zara's royal relations help with sponsorship etc, but she has no royal titles, she doesn't monetise any aspects of being royal - and her professional achievements are on her own merits.

If Harry and Meghan had wanted to stop being working royals completely, had wanted to just be Harry and Meghan - she could have continued acting (indeed didn't the Queen encourage this to start with) and he could have started a business or something else. And there's no doubt that had they taken this route they'd still both have benefitted from their royal connections - she would certainly have got bigger and better roles than she would have done otherwise, and doors would have opened for him easily too. But that would just have been peripheral benefits of royalty by association, as opposed to being part time royals with all the associated perks, and trading on their royal titles to make millions.

I think acting was a means to an end for her, she wasn't passionate about it and I get the impression she had realised she wasn't talented. I'm sure it started out as her dream but she was many years down the line of painfully slow progress. She'd already started moving away from acting IMO, divorcing the man she had married in order to secure acting roles, and instead dating a celebrity chef, blogging and Instagramming like crazy, trying to be the girl about town and while she was with the chef she tried to build a career for herself as a food expert.

Sure once she was married to Harry she could've secured bigger acting roles but they would have been flops I reckon. She was panned for the Disney voiceover, no one enjoys that simpering baby voice she does. No one wants to hear that.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 14:41

cheezncrackers · 02/10/2024 13:59

I disagree. I think she had no idea what the job of being a 'working royal' entailed and she THOUGHT it was all tiaras and haute couture and smiling and waving to cheering crowds. When she realised that it's actually visiting an old people's home in Bradford, opening a new town hall in Dewsbury and visiting a lifeboat station in Whitehaven she realised she'd made a huge mistake. The way Harry lived too - in a small 2-bedroom cottage and then later in a very pleasant but not huge and blingy house on the Windsor estate - I think came as a big and unpleasant shock to her. She'd married a prince FFS - she did NOT expect to live less glamorously than her celeb idols in LA.

I think it was the dawning realisation that hard and unglamorous work would be required of her for no pay, that she couldn't accept gifts or kick-backs from brands that were making money from dressing her, that if she wore haute couture (which she considered her right as 'a princess') she'd be criticised endlessly for it. Things like trips in private jets and having a baby shower in NYC, all perfectly normal in the celeb world she aspired to belong to, led to huge amounts of public criticism. I think she felt she'd been tricked into signing up for something that wasn't at all what she wanted and expected and thus she decided to cut her losses. But I'm pretty sure that initially she was up for giving it a try. She said she wanted to hit the ground running in the engagement interview and at that point I think she meant it. But she had no idea what the actual job entailed at that point, because she'd never done it.

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I used to think the same as you, but she did date Harry for about six months (I think?) before they married. And so she must have picked stuff up from him, like 'Oh sorry I can't see you Wednesday darling, I'm opening a new sports hall in Croydon' or 'Amazing to see you. I spent the day on a paedriatric cancer ward, it was tough, so I'm glad to be able to kick back and relax tonight.'

You know, like couples talk about their day?

Also we know that Meghan was a big fan of Diana and the other royals so she probably did her own research too.

As I said upthread, she's not stupid, and all this info would have been there for her, simply by looking on Harry's official social media pages.

If she truly didn't know, then there's two unlikely/unpalatable options: that Harry deliberately misled her as to what his working life was like, and/or that he didn't seek to mislead her but that she either failed to understand him or simply didn't want to know.

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 14:47

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 14:41

I used to think the same as you, but she did date Harry for about six months (I think?) before they married. And so she must have picked stuff up from him, like 'Oh sorry I can't see you Wednesday darling, I'm opening a new sports hall in Croydon' or 'Amazing to see you. I spent the day on a paedriatric cancer ward, it was tough, so I'm glad to be able to kick back and relax tonight.'

You know, like couples talk about their day?

Also we know that Meghan was a big fan of Diana and the other royals so she probably did her own research too.

As I said upthread, she's not stupid, and all this info would have been there for her, simply by looking on Harry's official social media pages.

If she truly didn't know, then there's two unlikely/unpalatable options: that Harry deliberately misled her as to what his working life was like, and/or that he didn't seek to mislead her but that she either failed to understand him or simply didn't want to know.

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I think she did know but the papers were full of how she was a breath of fresh air, she'd shake up the royal family, she was going to bring them into the 21st C, redefine modern royalty etc. I think it all went to her head and she didn't think her role would be the same as the other royals

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 14:53

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 14:47

I think she did know but the papers were full of how she was a breath of fresh air, she'd shake up the royal family, she was going to bring them into the 21st C, redefine modern royalty etc. I think it all went to her head and she didn't think her role would be the same as the other royals

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eh, I dunno, you'd have to be pretty dim and/or arrogant to think that you could personally up-end the entire Royal way of doing things and turn it into a Clooney-style glitzy word salady jamboree. I mean, maybe she is that dim and did think that, but I struggle to imagine how anyone could labour under such a delusion.

wordler · 02/10/2024 14:58

IcedPurple · 02/10/2024 14:35

As grandchildren of the reigning monarch they are entitled to be Prince and Princess according to the 1917 LP.

It's a bit silly these days, especially as they are living on another continent and will grow up completely alienated from their British family. But the moment Charles became King, they automatically became Prince and Princess. Which of course isn't to say their parents had to use the titles. They could have declined the titles for their children, as Edward and Sophie did. But of course they would not.

I do think William as King will issue LPs restricting royal titles only to the grandchildren in direct line. Not sure if he'd make it retrospective however. Archie and Lili's titles cannot be passed down so ultimately they're not really important.

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I think Charles had broached the idea of changing the LP to do exactly that - restrict the royal titles to the direct line which would have applied to Harry’s future kids and Charlotte and Louis’s future kids.

I think that’s the conversation that Meghan was referring to in the Oprah interview - she said something like “there were these conversations about changing things so that he wouldn’t be Prince”.

Now either she didn’t understand that it wasn’t personal about Archie but would affect two of William’s kids and other future generations too. Or she did understand but was so mad that it meant her children wouldn’t have the same status as Kate’s children that she twisted it in that interview to imply the change was only being suggested because of her ethnicity.

At that point it became too toxic for Charles to get anything changed before his accession.
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smilesy · 02/10/2024 15:00

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 14:47

I think she did know but the papers were full of how she was a breath of fresh air, she'd shake up the royal family, she was going to bring them into the 21st C, redefine modern royalty etc. I think it all went to her head and she didn't think her role would be the same as the other royals

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I think she managed to think that all on her own. She didn’t need the press to reinforce that view. She thought that star quality made for the top dogs in the RF and she was going to bring that. I think the press thought she would help to modernise the RF, but they didn’t imagine that she thought this meant she and Harry could use their star quality- modernising -breath of fresh airness to leapfrog William and Catherine and even her late majesty to the top job 😂

Alectoishome · 02/10/2024 15:02

GiveMeSpanakopita · 02/10/2024 14:53

eh, I dunno, you'd have to be pretty dim and/or arrogant to think that you could personally up-end the entire Royal way of doing things and turn it into a Clooney-style glitzy word salady jamboree. I mean, maybe she is that dim and did think that, but I struggle to imagine how anyone could labour under such a delusion.

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If it is true that she is a genuine narcissist then she would be prideful and egotistical enough to believe that I'm sure. Especially if Harry and the media and paid yes-men staff and other hangers-on were all enabling the delusion.

BunnyLake · 02/10/2024 15:05

Twistybranch · 02/10/2024 14:08

And you just know any notes sent into class for the teacher, you know the ‘Please excuse X from swimming today…..’, would be on Monogramed notes with cornet of Princess Lili or Prince Archie. Written in fancy pants squiggly handwriting and next level word salad.

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And the note would be headed, From the ‘Office of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’