Continuing HR article, Netflix

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See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources

article in the DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

https://archive.ph/xgEdv

One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'
She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out.

As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing???

Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html

Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

Lets not overlook how they actually operated on one of their very few Royal engagements where they were representing the Queen, Harry pleading for a job for his wife with someone in a line up to greet the Royal family representative.

Classy,

She is a woman of many titles though

For some it’s ’Princess Meghan’, others ‘Meghan’, a few chose ‘Markle’ , for some staff it’s ‘dictator in heels’, at South Park its ‘Instagram loving Bitch Wife’ and at Spotify it’s ‘Fucking Grifter’…..so she has lots of titles, it’s up to you which you chose

I don't think she even went by Meghan until she was trying to get into acting. Her name is Rachel.

I heard she prefers Meghan Mandela

@BustingBaoBun It’s her name. The blood royals don’t have last names. Both William and Harry took on Wales because their father was the Prince of Wales but that isn’t their last name. The RF uses a host of names. Their titles change and so does the moniker. Meghan is officially Princess Henry of Wales, The Duchess of Sussex but her legal name is still Rachel Meghan Markle. Just like Catherine is still Catherine Middleton but she is also Catherine Princess of Wales.

It easier if the female spouse comes from a royal house in her own right because you can see it doesn’t change. The best example is Queen Victoria who was a Saxe-Coburg because of her mother. Whereas previously the RF had been Hanovers.

Do you honestly think that H&M would really fly all the way over from California to attend a garden party? A garden party that they would be playing second fiddle to either Charles or William

Personally no, but then I've always believed the "half in half out" expectation was more about continuing to get their bills paid while they did exactly what they wanted regardless

Admittedly they might have accepted some duties once everything else became a busted flush and they had no other choices, but back in the days when Oprah, Spotify, Netflix and the rest were flocking round does anyone really imagine Meghan would have given the royal half of the job a moment's thought?

In British publications and by British posters on SM, no you wouldn't see that.

But it is used in the US (as is Markle)

It's just another of those little details that doesn't travel well

That was so grubby. I don't think he knew the camera was there. But he'd had his orders from the boss.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I suspect they would have done the tours (and embarrassed the whole country of Nigeria and Columbia are anything to go by) and then tried to use the royal cache to get Oscars tickets and fly private and go to all the glitzy stuff. Because that seems to be what they are attracted to now. The actual boots on the ground stuff is very lacking. They’d have been a total liability, which is probably why the family let them go so easily.

She hasn't been Princess Henry of Wales since the death of the Queen, when Harry moved up to just the Prince Henry, as his father was king; making her the Princess Henry. One day later, when King Charles installed William as PoW George, Charlotte and Louis moved from being Prince/ss "of Cambridge" to "of Wales"

Many descendants of ER II rarely require a surname, but can use "Mountbatten-Windsor" when they do. Or they can use the relevant bit of the royal/ducal title eg Beatrice York, Harry Wales etc

Edited to add: and the correct title for Catherine is HRH the Princess of Wales. The version "Diana, Princess of Wales" was the form after her divorce. I know there are some posters who sometimes say they think the Wales' marriage is a sham and they should divorce, but I think that's wrong. They are not divorced, and so the post-divorce version is not correct

They've announced, IIRC, that the children will use Sussex as their surname.

Very likely, Bontonbonbon, but the overriding point is that some of us don't feel they'd ever have prioritised the "royal bit" of the job

As Alectoishome just mentioned, Harry couldn't even keep his eye on the ball while still here, but doubtless at the time he was even more in thrall to his wife's silly manipulation

Foolish man

If Harry and Meghan wanted to earn their own money and just pop up at the odd garden party that would have been fine.

But no monetising royal titles, or representing the monarchy at big state events.

Their entire brand was (and is) based on their royal connections - remember how they tried to trademark a load of Sussex Royal merchandise?

Of course Zara's royal relations help with sponsorship etc, but she has no royal titles, she doesn't monetise any aspects of being royal - and her professional achievements are on her own merits.

If Harry and Meghan had wanted to stop being working royals completely, had wanted to just be Harry and Meghan - she could have continued acting (indeed didn't the Queen encourage this to start with) and he could have started a business or something else. And there's no doubt that had they taken this route they'd still both have benefitted from their royal connections - she would certainly have got bigger and better roles than she would have done otherwise, and doors would have opened for him easily too. But that would just have been peripheral benefits of royalty by association, as opposed to being part time royals with all the associated perks, and trading on their royal titles to make millions.

@SqueakyDinosaur

All that confirms is how loose the RF is with surnames. They can pick and choose. M&H have said what their children will use but Meghan has only ever used DoS and seems to like using just her first name- which a lot of royals do. I’m just point out that it is not rude to call her Meghan Markle. Her name change is not as cut and dried as in another marriage, especially these days.

Previously, other royal duchesses were known in the media and at engagements by their husband’s total, like Princess Micheal of Kent. However, that seems a bit old fashion now, so they often go by first names with titles. Which is probably why we never had Princess William of Wales.

I mean, why not call her Rachel? It’s her given name.

Why are two private citizens 'announcing' the surnames of their children?

I thought they wanted to protect them from media intrusion?

Well considering Meghan herself doesn’t show courtesy or respect for the royal family’s names and titles such as Kate, your brother, your Dad, your grandmother I wont get in a flap with posters on here calling Meghan whatever they like.

We would definitely have had Princess William of Wales if the Queen hadn’t made him the Duke of Cambridge on marriage. The Royal Duchess courtesy title takes precedence over the Princess title. Until the Princess of Wales title was available.

It’s very rare that they’d choose not to go with the protocol for those working as senior royals - the only one I can think of recently was Camilla not using the PoW title in case of the backlash - she was the Princess of Wales though and wore the jewelry which goes with the role.

For those not in the senior roles there is always the option of not using the titles - like Edwards kids - it’s very bizarre to me that Archie and Lili are using their Prince/ss titles in the US.

Of the many dubious decisions they have made, I think wanting Archie and Lili to be Prince/ess after they had left the working RF is one of the worst they've made. It justifies press interest in them as they are Prince/ess of the United Kingdom. Not a problem now while they are little kids but a much bigger problem when they become more independent. That's a ticking clock waiting to go wrong, in my view.

I think the fact that their wedding invitations went to celebrities (largely American ones too) shouted volumes about who they thought they’d end up hob-nobbing with, people with money and influence who could shove them up the popularity ladder in the USA. Instead it seems that they’re being largely ignored but those individuals and are desperately floundering around trying to find something that will fund the lifestyle they aspire too.

By the time they're teenagers, George will be a young man, with Charlotte and Louis also growing into adulthood. Their parents will be 50 somethings who used to be royal. Unless there is a big change, Archie and Lili will have little contact with the royals and will grow up as Americans, 'royal' in name only. I really don't see there being much interest in them.

Was that the event they went to instead of a military evening ?

I disagree. I think she had no idea what the job of being a 'working royal' entailed and she THOUGHT it was all tiaras and haute couture and smiling and waving to cheering crowds. When she realised that it's actually visiting an old people's home in Bradford, opening a new town hall in Dewsbury and visiting a lifeboat station in Whitehaven she realised she'd made a huge mistake. The way Harry lived too - in a small 2-bedroom cottage and then later in a very pleasant but not huge and blingy house on the Windsor estate - I think came as a big and unpleasant shock to her. She'd married a prince FFS - she did NOT expect to live less glamorously than her celeb idols in LA.

I think it was the dawning realisation that hard and unglamorous work would be required of her for no pay, that she couldn't accept gifts or kick-backs from brands that were making money from dressing her, that if she wore haute couture (which she considered her right as 'a princess') she'd be criticised endlessly for it. Things like trips in private jets and having a baby shower in NYC, all perfectly normal in the celeb world she aspired to belong to, led to huge amounts of public criticism. I think she felt she'd been tricked into signing up for something that wasn't at all what she wanted and expected and thus she decided to cut her losses. But I'm pretty sure that initially she was up for giving it a try. She said she wanted to hit the ground running in the engagement interview and at that point I think she meant it. But she had no idea what the actual job entailed at that point, because she'd never done it.

I wonder if in America those titles @IcedPurple would be considered Christian names too? Though I can just imagine Meghan insisting they’re addressed as Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet at school and every opportunity whiles she is called Duchess of Sussex at parents evening etc 🙄

Exactly, it should have been a decision for the kids to make once they turn 18. Wasn’t that what Sophie and Edward did?

But I’m not sure how that would work as William would be king by then…..

@IcedPurple I think the amount of attention will depend to quite a large extent on their parents' decisions but, at present, every indication is that they will continue to attract attention. I suspect the press will continue to love having a huge family estrangement to report on in the next few decades.

And then, once they are 18, it will depend on Archie and Lili themselves. If they appear to live a 'boring' life, yes, I'd expect interest to drop pretty quickly. But if they attempt to build a public profile, I think interest and criticism will be very high (if they continue to use the titles).